Marriage - St Pancras, look up please

[celticgirl]

I am looking for a marriage between Paul  Loewe and Jane Florence Andrews.   I'm basing my info from their son's birth certificate which says that he was registered on 17 June 1861 and lived at 6 Brecknock Terrace, Camden New Town, reg dist St Pancras, sub dist of Kentish Town, County of Middlesex.

Therefore, I'm estimating that the marriage would have taken place around 1861 or just before.

Any help, even if its to tell me I've put this request in the wrong section, would be most welcomed!

Thanks.

[claudia99]

Celticgirl,

The only marriage for a Jane Florence Andrews I can find was one in 1901 in West Ham ref Sep 1901 4a/508

The only ref for a Paul Loewe was in 1909 in Lewsiham
ref Sep 1909 1d/2262

Are you sure this couple actually married?

Claudia

[celticgirl]

Hi, yes, Im sure they married because on their son's birth cert, she (his mother Jane Florence) is listed as Loewe formerly Andrews.

The other dates you mention, I have,  - one is the marriage of their son, 1909.

Many thanks for looking up - much appreciated.

Interestingly, I am unable to find this family on any of the census returns!

[claudia99]

Celticgirl,
How about they married outside of England/Wales - ie Scotland, Ireland, Europe.
The name Loewe - is it German - could the marriage have taken place abroad.
Also, just because the birth certificate says the parents were married, does not always mean they were!
I think you need to look at other possibilities, especially when you cannot find then on any census.
The address they give on their son's birth certificate in 1861 - have you tried to find that address in 1861 census as, even if they are not there, it may give some clues.
Hope you find them!
Claudia

[Calver]

I've found the address in 1861...

1861 Census - RG9/119 Folio: 58 Page: 11
6 Brecknock Terrace, Kentish Town, St Pancras,  Middlesex

Peter Laurie? abt 1830  Paris, France B.S., Head, Clerk to Colonial Merchant
Flora Laurie? abt 1840  Alton, Hampshire, England Wife

Best regards,
John

[Calver]

This is interesting in 1871...

1871 Census - RG10/767 Folio: 12 Page: 24
68 Limes Grove, Lewisham, Kent

Edmond Spencer Creese abt 1823  Gloucestershire, England Head, Surveyor of ...?
Florence Jane Creese abt 1841  Alton, Hants, England Wife
Rod Herbert Creese abt 1862  Islington, Middlesex, England Son
[looks like Paul Herbert]
Florence Clara Creese abt 1864  Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter
Edith Gertrude Creese abt 1866  Eisth, Kent, England Daughter
Eva Kate Creese abt 1868  Eisth, Kent, England Daughter
Clara Chapman abt 1844  Alton, Hampshire, England Sister-in-law
Florence Chapman abt 1862  Islington, Middlesex, England Niece
Mary Anne King abt 1851  Plumstead, Kent, England Servant

Best regards,
John

[Calver]

Taking it back to 1851 for ANDREWS ...

1851 Census - HO107/1500 Folio: 217 Page: 22
6 Edward Street, Islington West, Islington, Middlesex

John Andrews abt 1803  Alton, Hampshire, England Head, Cab Driver
Mary Andrews abt 1816  Selborn, Hampshire, England Wife
Joshua Andrews abt 1838  Selborn, Hampshire, England Son
Jane Andrews abt 1840  Selborn, Hampshire, England Daughter
Clara Andrews abt 1843  Selborn, Hampshire, England Daughter
Ann Andrews abt 1846  Hampton, Middlesex, England Daughter

I think Selborn is Selbourne, near Alton.

Best regards,
John

[Calver]

Marriages Dec 1877
~~~~~~~~
ANDREWS  Mary Ann F    Islington  1b 411   
CREESE  Edmund Spencer     Islington  1b 411   
LAKER  Dorcas Martha     Islington  1b 411   
Webber  William     Islington  1b 411   

John

[celticgirl]

Thanks very much for all that info  John!  I am really confused now!

Their son, Paul Herbert Loewe b. 1861, married Alice Jane Hood in 1881 at Charlton Church, Kent, Woolwich.  Their children were as follows:
Gertrude A. Loewe
Pauline Emily  "
Paul Herbert   "
Gordon  H. Loewe
Florence Naomi "
Edith Kate         "
Ernest Spencer Loewe
Constance Irene Loewe
Violet Eileen Loewe.

This family are all as listed on the 1901 census, but Ive been unable to find them on any other census.  However, on the 1891 census the exact same family are listed but all having the surname Crease!  How so!

If one of them remarried, how come the certificates are all with the surname Loewe, as is the 1901 census.  Its just somewhere in the middle, the surname Crease appears.  Have you any advice on why this should happen.

Many thanks for your time and patience!

Steph