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Warwickshire / Re: BRANT ?Wooten Wawen to Kings Norton
« on: Saturday 28 November 09 20:19 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry I can't help with Ann's maiden name, as the marriage does not appear in the Beaudesert parish registers. I can only say that the union must have taken place between 1790 and 1795, probably in a nearby parish. I have spent a lot of time in the Warwick Records Office poring over microfilm, but have only succeeded in making my brain hurt !
The Jewish thing may be a red herring; there was a family of Brants down the river at Offenham near Evesham who may be a more likely origin of the family, particularly as Martha's father Isaac actually died in Offenham.  I have traced them back to 1543 but have not been able to link them definitively to the Beaudesert Brants. They were certainly not Jewish as there were no Jews in England between 1280 and 1660.
I was interested in your remarks on the gravestones. I think I'll pop up to the Church Parish Office soon and interrogate them on the matter. If you have not visited recently you may not know that there is now a modern visitors centre adjacent to the church, located in the old Bull's Head public house. Tho Old Grammar School which stands in the church grounds won the BBC Restoration TV programme a few years ago and the money has been spent partly on these new facilities. If I discover anything of interest I'll post it here. I've only just discovered this forum so I'm still finding my feet.
Sorry I couldn't help with Ann's maiden name.
Regards, G.B.

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Warwickshire / Re: BRANT ?Wooten Wawen to Kings Norton
« on: Saturday 28 November 09 14:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hi - Good to hear from you. As I am Martha's great-great nephew I suppose we are distant relatives. You may already know some of the following but here goes:
Martha was the daughter of Isaac Brant and Ann Rebecca Smith. She had 2 sisters Ann & Ruth and 4 brothers, Abraham, Saul, Michael and Solomon, who was my great-great grandfather. Solomon turns up in the Criminal Registers (1 month in chokey for assaulting a policeman - Naughty !)
Her father Isaac was one of four children brought to Kings Norton from Beaudesert in the early 1800's by their father William and his wife Ann. William and Ann's gravestone is one of the only 2 still extant in St. Nicholas' churchyard.
The Stratford canal had just been completed as far as Henley and William presumably used it to make the trip to Kings Norton where he became a coal dealer at the wharf in Wharf Lane, living at no.75 with Isaac who worked as a boatman. His other son George worked as a miller and shopkeeper and helped to run a beer garden by the canal. William's 2 daughters were both married in King Norton in 1830, 3 years after William was prosecuted for driving his coal cart without reins !
William was born in 1772 (not 1771) in Beaudesert, the son of Joseph Brant and Martha Johnson. Joseph (b.1743) was the son of William Brant who married Mary Hemming in 1736. The trail peters out there.
The Beaudesert Brants were simple folk, agricultural labourers and lime burners. One of them, Williams brother John, was the toll-gate keeper on the Stratford Rd in Shirley, less than a mile from where I now live. Apart from him William was the only Brant to achieve any sort of affluence, although while he was in Beaudesert he was at one time decribed as a pauper.
Martha therefore seems to have done well to pull Frederick Clulee, who looks to have become a successful builder ( I see that there is a Clulee Construction Co. still running ). One of the Clulee Clan, Benjamin, seems to have been briefly involved in the coal business down at the wharf after Martha's father Isaac died in 1865 and the lease on the coalyard expired.
I assume that you are descended from one of Fredericks siblings. There seem to have been no shortage of Clulees in Kings Norton judging by the list of monumental inscriptions for St Nicholas churchyard. I was interested by your reference to the moving of graves in 1988. I have been puzzled for some time that, although no less than 36 Brants have been interred there, only 2 graves are still  avilable for inspection. I know that grave are being re-used these days, with the original occupant being re-installed lower down, and I assumed that this is what had happened. It seems that you know better.
Another matter which has had me scratching my head is the preponderance of Jewish given names in the Brant family. Everything from Abraham, Solomon Isaac, Saul, Benniah and Boaz to Reuben, Rebecca and Dinah. Although Brant is an Ashkenazi Jewish surname, common in Poland, I cannot imagine how Jewish immigrant Brants would  end up in Beaudesert, although there are plenty of Brants down in Berkshire (Arborfield) with Jewish names. I notice a sprinkling of Isaacs and Benjamins amongst your forbears and wonder if you have any thoughts on this ...
Anyway, I hope I have shed some light on Martha's origins for you,( I can bore for England on this subject ). Nothing exciting, just a long line of straw-chewing yokels and horny-handed sons of the soil, like most people. I have come to realise. The Jewish question is intriguing though.
All of the details of the Beaudesert Brants were culled from a book by William Cooper called  Records of Beaudesert. There is a copy in Henley-in-Arden library if you want to take a look. There are also offshoots of Brants in Wooten Wawen, Preston Bagot, Ullenhall, Aston Cantlow and many other places in Worcestershire and Warwickshire, but life is too short .....
Let me know about the grave relocation thing, plus any thoughts on possible Jewish heritage.
Cheers- G.B.

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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: Samuel FAIREY of Lavendon - Marriage
« on: Friday 27 November 09 18:55 GMT (UK)  »
I am also interested in Samuel's provenance as he was my great-great-grandfather. I am the grandson of Annie Gertrude Fairey, born Lavendon 1878.
Samuel was convicted in 1827 of receiving stolen goods acquired by his son Thomas. His other son William was acquitted. Naughty !!
Let me know if you have any luck.
Cheers, Graham Brant.

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Northamptonshire / Re: Fairey families in Northants
« on: Friday 27 November 09 18:42 GMT (UK)  »
My grandmother was Annie Gertude Fairey whose family came from Lavendon (actually in Bucks, but almost in Northants). The Zilpha Fairey you mention was born in Lavendon, the daugher of Samuel and Rebecca. There can't be too many Zilphas about.
I have a list of all baptisms in Bucks from 1700 to 1900 if you are interested.
Cheers, G.B.

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Warwickshire / Re: BRANT ?Wooten Wawen to Kings Norton
« on: Friday 27 November 09 18:15 GMT (UK)  »
Don't know if you're still out there, but I am Graham Brant, and William (b.1771) was my great-great-great=great grandfather. He is indeed buried in Kings Norton graveyard, I have a photograph of his gravestone. He moved to Kings Norton in the early 1800's from Beaudesert near Henley-in-Arden with his sons Isaac and George and his daughters Anne and Dinah. The Brants of Beaudesert go back to 1736 and are obviously connected with the Wooten Wawen Brants just down the road from Henley. A lot of the information in the censuses is wrong, particularly George coming from Droitwich !!   
I have researched the family in great depth and would be pleased to let you have any info I can. Cheers G.B.

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