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Dublin / Re: william henry groves and charlotte e groves - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: Friday 16 June 23 15:18 BST (UK)  »
Not sure if you are still looking after all this time. I think Charlotte was actually Charlotte Elizabeth Roe, born about 1852. She married William Henry Groves in 1887 and their son was born in 1892 but his given name was not recorded. He was William Roe Groves in the 1901 census then William Henry Groves after his father died in 1902.

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Occupation Interests / Re: Life in the Jute Mills of Dundee in 19thC
« on: Friday 11 December 20 09:11 GMT (UK)  »
The 'Tina' Maggie refers is Christina Brown Cleghorn (1864-1948). She married Edward Malcolm (1868-1897) in Fort William, Bengal, India in 1893. As far as I know they only had one child before Edward died, Elizabeth Rattray Malcolm, born 1897 in Dundee.

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Occupation Interests / Re: Life in the Jute Mills of Dundee in 19thC
« on: Thursday 10 December 20 23:58 GMT (UK)  »
Jane Cleghorn was born c 1812. Her marriage and death registrations both give her parents names as William Cleghorn and Christian (Christina) Brown. Back in 2003 I found her baptism in December 1812 but I neglected to record where I found it, having just started my research.
I use Ancestry.com as little as possible and find that most trees have errors, often compounded by others copying them and tacking them onto their own trees. My source for most of my Scottish family is Scotlands People.
This is an excerpt from Maggie's diary from her stay in Dundee, September 1892, in which she visit's your friend's ancestor:

Wednesday 14th.   James the youngest son, called this morning to meet me, he has not long been married. About 11 o’clock, Tina, Mary & I went down to do some shopping, & see a little of Dundee. It is a very smoky place, owing to so much manufacturing going on, & is not so pretty as Aberdeen. The girls pointed out to me the chief objects of interest, during our walk. On the way home we called on Mrs Wm. Cleghorn, but found her out, we saw her two youngest children, pretty wee things. We are to go there to our tea tomorrow night. I had letters from Grandma today telling me of the death of Mr Hayes of Barrhead. Mr. Malcolm, Tina’s future husband, was here this evening. He seems a very nice gentleman, is fair, & very good-looking. I don’t think the marriage will take place before I leave for Melbourne.

Thursday 15th.      I was knitting most of the forenoon, & in the afternoon Tina & Mary & I took the train into town, did a little shopping then went to Mrs Wm. Cleghorn’s to our tea. There are seven children, the oldest being 9 years of age, so you may be sure we were well entertained. I never met a nicer family of children, it was quite a treat to spend an evening among them, they were so polite & well-behaved. Mr Malcolm came during the evening, & after a few games of whist we went home.


Cheers
Russell

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Occupation Interests / Re: Life in the Jute Mills of Dundee in 19thC
« on: Thursday 10 December 20 13:01 GMT (UK)  »
I don't think I have the complete family of William Cleghorn (c 1768 - 1833) and Christian Brown (c 1776 - 1848) due to the gaps between births. I have William marrying Christian 31 March 1797 at Chirnside, Berwick.
I have the following Children:
Peter (1798 - 1873), married Euphemia Renton
Mary (1800 -?)
Janet (1801 - 1876), married Edward Bone
big gap
Jane (1812 - 1869), married Thomas Robertson (my g-g grandparents)
John (1813 - 1874), father of William (1830 - 1895) by Jean Waters the married Margaret Simpson (c 1895 - 1876). He was still married to Margaret Simpson when he died, illegitimate son, William, was the informant.
My great aunt Maggie was the granddaughter of Thomas and Jane Robertson. She was born in Edinburgh but came to Melbourne as a baby. Her family paid for her to return to Scotland in 1892-3 and she kept a diary of the trip during which she visited as many relatives as she could. Her daughter later typed the diaries which have since been lost but several copies of the typed version survive and they have provided a wealth of information.
I am in Melbourne. May I ask your whereabouts?
Cheers
Russell

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Occupation Interests / Re: Life in the Jute Mills of Dundee in 19thC
« on: Thursday 10 December 20 01:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Keith
I have since cleared up the mystery. My-g-great grandmother was Jane Cleghorn.  I discovered that William was the illegitimate son of Jane’s brother John, and was born in Chirnside, Berwickshire, 29 January 1830. His mother was Jean Waters. On 2 June 1832 John Cleghorn married Margaret Simpson, the daughter of Peter Simpson and Elizabeth Dewar. Her sister Isabella, who had married John Bonthron in 1829, took the young William to Dundee where she and John had a confectionery business. William trained as a confectioner then became a waste dealer before going into the jute business. He was a very successful businessman as shown by his occupation in the 1881 census; “Merchant & Jute Spinner emp 108 Men 284 Women 213 Children”. When William’s father, John Cleghorn, died in 1874, William was the informant so he obviously kept in touch with his family back in Berwickshire. This is also evidenced by Maggie’s visit, as recorded in her diary. William died in 1895. There is a street in Dundee named after him, near where Logie House used to stand.
Cheers
Russell Cooper

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Occupation Interests / Re: Life in the Jute Mills of Dundee in 19thC
« on: Sunday 09 September 12 08:21 BST (UK)  »
I realise this topic is rather old but I am interested in this Cleghorn family because my great aunt stayed with them, in Logie House, in 1892. We have the diary she kept when she went 'home' for a visit (from Australia).
William was illegitimate and was born in Berwickshire. He was looked after by a family who took him to Dundee where they had a confectionary business. He trained as a confectioner then became a waste dealer before going into the jute business. My great aunt's grandmother was a Cleghorn but I can't find the link between her family and that of William.

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Australia / Re: Emigration from Somerset.Charles & Susanah (nee DARBY) CAVE
« on: Sunday 25 March 12 22:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi Chris
Can't help with the immigration I'm afraid. Only started looking at the Cave family this weekend when I found that two of my mother's cousins each married a Cave - unrelated as far as I can tell. I can be contacted directly on coop.gen at optusnet.com.au. I'm in Melbourne.
Cheers
Russell

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Australia / Re: Emigration from Somerset.Charles & Susanah (nee DARBY) CAVE
« on: Sunday 25 March 12 12:22 BST (UK)  »
It would appear that we are researching the same family. I'm interested in a granddaughter of William Rendall Cave who married a relative of mine. I won't name her because she may be still living.

Russell

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Australia / Re: Victoria BMD look ups needed
« on: Friday 26 August 11 15:19 BST (UK)  »
I am also interested in this family, particularly Alfred Charles Grigg and his son Henry Alfred (Harry) Grigg who married Myrtle Rose Bradbury in 1923. They had 3 daughters Joyce, Betty and Ailsa.

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