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Messages - Mary Jane Tape

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Lizzie, this is looking very good.  I've just looked at Roseanna and Charles' photocopied marriage certificate and you are right - it's not Thomas who was a witness, it was Edward, well a contraction of Edward.
Edward and Mary Ann were uncle and aunt.
Do Edward and Mary Ann show up in any other censuses I wonder?  Must check.
Thanks for clearing up that little mystery.

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You have found John father of Emma, Roseanna, Elizabeth etc.  Is this from my initial info or from other records?

I may have been on the wrong track thinking Thomas was born in Oxfordshire - he could have been born there while his parents were passing through.  Need to check up on when the canals were working.

Quite often the census returns give different places of birth.  John's grandsons, William and Thomas lived in Aston Street in later censuses.  Both gave Oxfordshire as their birth place on one census but later Thomas gave Tipton as his birthplace!

I know that Roseanna married Charles Lloyd - I have the certificate.  Not sure who Thomas Ralph is - could be her younger brother, but no idea about Mary Ann Ralph because Thomas married Letitia somebody.
Trying to tie down this John is a problem as there were two, one lived at Lower Gornall while my John lived at Toll End.

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up Parish Records
« on: Sunday 13 September 15 14:44 BST (UK)  »
I know he had one son (at least) called John.  Unfortunately there were dozens of John Ralphs living around Toll End, Nock Street, Lower Gornley in the mid-1800s.
I can't identify the particular John I want other than he turns up on various children's marriage certificates as a Boatman.  As Thomas lived in Nock Street, just round the corner from Toll End I'm guessing he was a boatman or canal worker of some kind, not a tinner or a miner.  His granddaughter, Emma (for whom there are no records on FreeReg despite me having a paper copy of her marriage) married Thomas Wright who was another boatman like his father.
Most Ralphs in that area of Tipton were boatpeople.  I wish I could find Thomas on an earlier census - 1841 or 1851 but not luck as yet.

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up Parish Records
« on: Sunday 13 September 15 14:34 BST (UK)  »
This is a reply to your first response - Thomas was a teenager when the canal went through Lower Heyford.  Is this speculation on your part or was a canal being dug through Lower Heyford?

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up Parish Records
« on: Sunday 13 September 15 14:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jaywit
Checked out FreeReg and found Thomas Ralph, widower marrying Lettice Bate but can't find any further details on that site. Put in loads of 'trials', things I have answers to, but I just kept getting zero results.  I couldn't even find myself!

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Look up Parish Records
« on: Saturday 12 September 15 18:27 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone find information about my 4x great grandfather who, in the 1861 census gives his birthplace as Lower Heyford.  He was 80 at the time of the census so was born about 1781.
His name was Thomas Ralph.

He moved to Staffordshire where he married Catherine ?? who was 10 years his junior but still with him in 1861.

I can't find him in any other census although he should have been in 1841 and 1851.

I believe he left Oxfordshire to work on the canals when he was about 20 but that is only because his descendants all worked on narrow boats and Thomas's address in 1861 was Nock Street, Tipton which is just round the corner from Toll End where boatmen lived.

Many thanks in anticipation.
Mary Jane Tape

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for Wagstaffs and Wrights - bargees
« on: Sunday 16 November 14 22:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Suz, census would be great.  Interesting that Maria was pre-marriage, I didn't know that.

I have found it difficult tracing people through censuses because sometimes they just don't appear for years then you might find just the one, once!

Many thanks again.
Mary Jane

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Family History Beginners Board / Looking for Wagstaffs and Wrights - bargees
« on: Sunday 16 November 14 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, can anyone help me find the children of James Wagstaff and Mary Cory?  They were born early in 1800s and married around 1826, I think but may be adrift on this one.

Mary's father, John Cory, was born in 1781 and was a boatman working canals from Manchester through Derby and possibly to Birmingham.

Many thanks
Mary Jane

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Look up in Oxfordshire please
« on: Saturday 08 November 14 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi NDRFT

You have to remember that at the time of the 1861 census Thomas was 80 years old and possibly not working.

My thoughts were that as a young man in the late 1700s he left Oxfordshire to seek work on the canals and later met his wife, Catherine (although she is 10 years younger and may have been his second wife).  She was born in Tipton.

What surprises me is that he doesn't appear on the 1851 census at all.

His son John (at least we assume he had a son called John), John's son William, John's grandson and great grandson were all boatmen until the great grandson became a Drayman.

It would be so much easier if the Georgians and Victorians used random or unusual names, but since several branches of the family all used the same names with the odd different one thrown in occasionally, it makes tracking them down so difficult.

Perhaps Thomas, like William and Thomas, his grandsons, was born whilst travelling and his 'home' was Tipton, but somehow I don't feel this is right - were people living on barges in 1781?
Mary Jane

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