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Hi Lyn,

Interesting theories. I must admit that I only traced my direct bloodline, so missed out on all the fascinating history about Eliza's line. My interest in Jim has been rekindled though, so I will endeavour to find out more about him.

Elizabeth Nott was the daughter of William Nott (b. 1705, East Down) and Ann Richards (b. 1711, Shirwell). They married in Shirwell on 23 Nov 1729. One of their other daughters, Honour, married James Oatway's brother John in 1757. So two brothers married two sisters. Follow William Nott's East Down line and if I'm correct in my discoveries, you'll find links way back through the Chichesters, Beaumonts, Pynes and other ancient families, with medieval knights, Norman lords and Viking kings!

Check out http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Shirwell/LandTax/1780.html to see where the Oatways (Ostways) and Notts were living and working.

All the best,
Oatway

Hi Lyn,
Interesting. The military service is all new to me. My grandmother, his daughter Grace, was born in July 1885. He married Sophia Hefford in August 1883 and Albert was born in April 1884. So he was still in service during all that time. In the 1881 census he is down as a basket maker but he must have still been in the Army. The disability is intriguing. I shall attempt to find out more.

James (I bet people called him Jim) had quite a criminal record which I accessed through Ancestry.
1889 - 21 days for stealing boots; 3 months for stealing reeds; 2 summary convictions for assault and begging; 3 months for stealing basket; then 8 hampers - larceny & receiving led to 12 months in Wandsworth.
1892 - 1 month for stealing baskets: order of removal from Bethnal Green workhouse to St Leonards
1893 - 3 months for stealing bundles of rods - Wormwood Scrubs; 9 months for stealing/receiving 31 rug straps - Pentonville (he certainly did the rounds of jails!)
1901 - he was living at 175 City Road, New Hoxton
1918 - he died in Shoreditch aged 61 (my grandmother, his daughter, died 6 years later)

I know quite bit about the Devon roots if you are stuck anywhere. I suggest you trace Elizabeth Nott (1737-1820) if you haven't already - a very interesting branch going back a long way.

All the best,
Oatway

Hello Lyn023,
Albert was my grandmother Grace's brother. Margery was his only child. She lives in Huntington Beach, California and has two children - Gregory and Cynthia. We've corresponded.

James, John the weaver's father, who married Elizabeth Nott, was born in Yarnscombe in 1727. His father (yes you've guessed it) John was born in Yarnscombe in 1697, and his father was Anthony  Oatway born in Yarnscombe in 1655.

Have you discovered James Tarrant/Oatway's prison record? He was my GGgrandfather. Apparently Albert didn't speak about him very much, as he left the family when they were young children.

All the best with your searches.

Hello,
My family line runs from Alfred's younger brother James who was born in 1857. The brothers had different mothers. Their father James seems to have had 5 children by his first marriage (Alfred included), 1 by his second and 4 by his last wife (James being one of them). The little information I have on Alfred is that he was born in Walbrook in 1842. In 1881 he was living at 41 Eagle Street, Holborn and married to Caroline from Bristol, a waistcoat maker. Their children Alfred (6) and Rose (4) were born in Dublin. His second wife (?) Catherine was born in Dublin and they had more children together. Alfred was a driver in the Royal Artillery in 1861. His uncle Alfred (James b.1814's younger brother who was born in 1818) was also in the army.

Thanks very much for your help HarryD. You've helped me to retrace that family branch into Tudor times. Much appreciated.