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Lancashire / Re: Susannah Gwilliam Who Married Richard Howard Hoskins in Manchester in 1834
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 10:32 GMT (UK) »
I need to get the death cert. -wasn't expecting this uncertainty.
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Lancashire / Re: Susannah Gwilliam Who Married Richard Howard Hoskins in Manchester in 1834
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 09:50 GMT (UK) »
I did notice that a Richard Hoskins was living in Murray Street in Liverpool in 1840 according to the electoral registers but it was unclear at the time if it was our man.
However another newspaper search today has uncovered a legal case in Liverpool against Richard Hoskins living in Murray St., reported on 3 January 1840.
Here’s an extract literatim from the Newspaper:-
“The plaintiff was Mr. Thomas Walker pianoforte manufacturer and the defendant Mr Richard Hoskins the well known comedian and the landlord of “Dicks Coffee House” in Murray Street near the Theatre Royal. The action was brought to recover £17 7s 6d …. for the balance of an account for hire and tuning of pianofortes and for a new pianoforte. &c,&c.
I know that Richard Hoskins moved to the Black Dog in Chester in 1845, which also became known informally as “Dick’s Black Dog Coffee House” so could have lived on in Liverpool after the court case for a further 5 years.
There’s still no mention of Susannah Hoskins however unless the Susan Hopkins of Cockshutt St, died 1851, is her. If Susannah was with Richard in Liverpool did she stay there when he moved to Chester?
However another newspaper search today has uncovered a legal case in Liverpool against Richard Hoskins living in Murray St., reported on 3 January 1840.
Here’s an extract literatim from the Newspaper:-
“The plaintiff was Mr. Thomas Walker pianoforte manufacturer and the defendant Mr Richard Hoskins the well known comedian and the landlord of “Dicks Coffee House” in Murray Street near the Theatre Royal. The action was brought to recover £17 7s 6d …. for the balance of an account for hire and tuning of pianofortes and for a new pianoforte. &c,&c.
I know that Richard Hoskins moved to the Black Dog in Chester in 1845, which also became known informally as “Dick’s Black Dog Coffee House” so could have lived on in Liverpool after the court case for a further 5 years.
There’s still no mention of Susannah Hoskins however unless the Susan Hopkins of Cockshutt St, died 1851, is her. If Susannah was with Richard in Liverpool did she stay there when he moved to Chester?
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Lancashire / Re: Susannah Gwilliam Who Married Richard Howard Hoskins in Manchester in 1834
« on: Wednesday 29 January 25 16:34 GMT (UK) »
I looked for any children on freebsd (1837 onwards) and found none.
Richard lead a strange life in that he was a music hall actor and appeared for most of his adult life in comedy shows at various N.W. England Theatre Royals. I've browsed every mention of him between 1830 and 1850 in British Newspaper Archives and there's never been any mention of his wife.
BTW on the marriage certificate his wife signed Susannah but as you say she could have been less formal.
Richard Howard Hoskins to give him his full name was buried without a headstone in Overleigh Cemetery but his grave is recorded. There is no mention of susannah being buried in that Cemetery. or whether he was a widower.
However the burial plot does hold two later Hoskins - two spinsters; mother and daughter Elizabeth died 1857 aged 67 and Eleanor who died in 1858. Their names are on a headstone over the grave but as I said there's no mention of Richard on the headstone.
As far as I can ascertain the two spinsters are totally unrelated to Richard and originated in Cumberland from an aristocratic family. It seems inexplicable and apparently irrelevant to the mystery about Susannah why the spinsters were interred in the same grave as Richard Hoskins. Could the gravediggers assume that Richard's plot was handy with the same family name in what may have been a crowded Cemetery?
I forgot to add that Richard Hoskins wife Susannah does not appear in the list of 14 persons in the 1841 census.
Richard lead a strange life in that he was a music hall actor and appeared for most of his adult life in comedy shows at various N.W. England Theatre Royals. I've browsed every mention of him between 1830 and 1850 in British Newspaper Archives and there's never been any mention of his wife.
BTW on the marriage certificate his wife signed Susannah but as you say she could have been less formal.
Richard Howard Hoskins to give him his full name was buried without a headstone in Overleigh Cemetery but his grave is recorded. There is no mention of susannah being buried in that Cemetery. or whether he was a widower.
However the burial plot does hold two later Hoskins - two spinsters; mother and daughter Elizabeth died 1857 aged 67 and Eleanor who died in 1858. Their names are on a headstone over the grave but as I said there's no mention of Richard on the headstone.
As far as I can ascertain the two spinsters are totally unrelated to Richard and originated in Cumberland from an aristocratic family. It seems inexplicable and apparently irrelevant to the mystery about Susannah why the spinsters were interred in the same grave as Richard Hoskins. Could the gravediggers assume that Richard's plot was handy with the same family name in what may have been a crowded Cemetery?
I forgot to add that Richard Hoskins wife Susannah does not appear in the list of 14 persons in the 1841 census.
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Lancashire / Re: Susannah Gwilliam Who Married Richard Howard Hoskins in Manchester in 1834
« on: Wednesday 29 January 25 15:45 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 Richard (age given as 35) is together with another 14 persons in an Inn in York Street Manchester.
The innkeeper is James Thompson.
Richard Hoskins died on 23 December 1850 and is buried in Chester Overleigh Cemetery.
In 1845 Richard became the licensee of the Black Dog Hotel /Coffee House in Chester.
See attachment of the Black Dog Hotel with Richard Hoskins name on it as taken by none other than Henry Fox-Talbot incidentally. I hope the attachment sends O.K..
/Users/ians/Desktop/BLACK DOG INFO/BLACK DOG COFFEE PIC copy.png
The innkeeper is James Thompson.
Richard Hoskins died on 23 December 1850 and is buried in Chester Overleigh Cemetery.
In 1845 Richard became the licensee of the Black Dog Hotel /Coffee House in Chester.
See attachment of the Black Dog Hotel with Richard Hoskins name on it as taken by none other than Henry Fox-Talbot incidentally. I hope the attachment sends O.K..
/Users/ians/Desktop/BLACK DOG INFO/BLACK DOG COFFEE PIC copy.png
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Lancashire / Susannah Gwilliam Who Married Richard Howard Hoskins in Manchester in 1834
« on: Wednesday 29 January 25 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone tell me what subsequently happened to Susannah? I've been unable to trace anything about her after her marriage.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Heywood Marriage June 1962 Reference Volume 10c Page 658
« on: Tuesday 28 May 24 08:57 BST (UK) »
Seeking to know the names of the bride's and groom's respective fathers for the marriage at Holy Law Congregation Bury Old Road Prestwich. Hopefully this information is sufficient to i.d. there respective fathers of the marriage without naming the bride or groom.
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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who Was The Biological Mother of William Raised By Connor and Henrietta Finney?
« on: Friday 11 August 23 11:11 BST (UK) »
Is there a way to check if William was legally/formally adopted by Connor & Henrietta Finney?
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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who Was The Biological Mother of William Raised By Connor and Henrietta Finney?
« on: Thursday 10 August 23 20:46 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for that John.
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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who Was The Biological Mother of William Raised By Connor and Henrietta Finney?
« on: Thursday 10 August 23 20:38 BST (UK) »
Yes I'd like to know.