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Perthshire / Patrick McIntosh & Cunnison 1734 Moulin
« on: Thursday 19 November 09 20:56 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to prove the following connections, any and all information relating to these people would be helpful.

It appears I may have found the siblings of Patrick McIntosh and through them a possible father for him. I need confirmation. Can someone check the OPR's for me please!!!

Robert McIntosh or Mackintosh b. abt. 1682 Moulin Parish Perth Scotland who married Jannet Rotson,
b. abt 1684 and by her had a son: John

John McIntosh b. 16 May 1708 married Margaret Ayson, b. abt 1710. They are listed as married 1731 at Kirkmichael
Perth Scotland. Together they had a son: Patrick b 1734 ( the first son for this marriage may be Robert McIntosh who was born 1732 at Moulin and later married a Margaret Flemming in 1757. In the IGI for this Robert no parents are shown ) Johns father should be a Robert of whom the first son would have been named after.

Patrick or Patrich ( perhaps also Peter ) McIntosh b. abt 1734 at Moulin Parish Perth, M. Janet Cunison, b. abt 1738, and by her had a son John who was born 6 May 1767 at Moulin Parish Perth. The banns of marriage were posted on 23 and 30 AUG 1759 Kirkmichael and Moulin, Perth, Scotland.

The children are reported as having been Girzel b. 9 Oct 1760, Emlie b. 19 Mar 1762, Janet b. 8 Apr 1764, John b 6 May 1767, Patrick b. 9 Jan 1770, Mary b. 2 Apr 1772 all listed as being born at Moulin Parish Perth Scotland.

Thanks in advance

Kenneth McIntosh


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Perthshire / Re: McIntosh of Moulin & Dunkeld
« on: Saturday 14 November 09 15:56 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your recent reply. Thats kind of the information I have too but have never been able to document the evidence. I would be interested to know more about the Cameron side if you have anything you think might add some details to Isobels life story such as her parents and other details.

Since you viewed the original OPR's is ther a way you can send a copy to me? I also do not know where to access the militia records, can you tell me where I might find them?

Any help would be appreciated.

Kenneth McIntosh

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Perthshire / Re: McIntosh of Moulin & Dunkeld
« on: Monday 09 November 09 22:00 GMT (UK)  »
More info... Alexanders presumed father.

The John that I am trying to track down was the one who married Isobel Camron ( Cameron ) on Jan 24 1784 Moulin. I have a copy of their Banns of Marriage ( OPR Marriages 384/0010 0258 ) 02/02/1784 McIntosh John

In the IGI this John is listed as having by his wife Isobel ( Isabel ) a son Alexander who was born in 1788.

From this marriage there appears to have been five children, Isobel b. 19 Nov 1784, Patrick b. 15 January  1786, Alexander b. 14 September 1788, Janet chr. 02 September 1792 and William b. 30 December 1795, all in Moulin Parish. From the date of birth of the first child it appears they didn't waste any time starting a family.

Given the naming patterns of male Scots, Johns father probabbly was either a Patrick, Alexander or a William.

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Perthshire / Re: McIntosh of Moulin & Dunkeld
« on: Monday 09 November 09 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
Alexander shows up in the 1841 Redgorton Census as having wife Elizabeth Stewart and children John, Peter, Henry ( or Harry ) Gordon, Charles and Elizabeth. . In the 1851 Redgorton census he is shown again with an additional child being a son Neil. He also appears in the 1861 Census for Redgorton ( Census 1841 390/00 003/00 009 ) 06/06/1841 McIntosh Alexander

His son Charles ( born Redgorton , christined Dunkeld ) is also shown in the 1861 census having a wife Mary Leslie. and one son Gordon who was two months old. Charles imigrated to the us in 1871 settling first in Iowa and later in Illinois.The marriage of Charles and Mary took place at Dunkled. ( 1860 Dunkeld , Statuory Marriages 349/00 0003 )

He again is shown along with his wife Elizabeth on the marriage documents dated 1860 Dunkeld for Charles McIntosh and Mary Leslie. The register is dated as 26 Nov 1860. The marriage is witnessed by Gordon McIntosh ( Charles' brother )  and Ann Henderson.

In the 1861 Census records it lists Alexander's occupation as Ploughman, and him having been born in Moulin Parish. Elizabeth is shown as having been born Redgorton. Though in other records she is listed as being from Blair Atholl.

The son Charles had a son Gordon b 1861, who had a son Donald Scott b. 1897, who had a son Donald Gordon b. 1918, who had a son Gordon Donald b. 1942. Donald Gordon was my father and Gordon Donald was my oldest brother.

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Perthshire / Re: McIntosh of Moulin & Dunkeld
« on: Monday 09 November 09 15:48 GMT (UK)  »
The name John McIntosh came from the IGI database being the father of the only Alexander listed in Moulin or Dunkeld for this time frame. I also cross checked the information in the census information.

In going through the IGI databases I also investigated the idea that Alexanders father may have had the name of one of the other male children but again this turned up no information.

The information I have on Alexander came from the marriage banns of his son Charles who married Mary Leslie at Dunkeld and the 1841 Census. Charles and Mary are further listed in the 1851 and 1861 listing their offspring.

My proposed family line is as thus...

John McIntosh b. 16 May 1708, Moulin Perth father Robert McIntosh, Mother  Jannet Rotson b. abt ?, married  ? and had issue Alexander

Alexander McIntosh who was born about 1742-4, at Dull Perthshire Scotland and married on 8 April 1763, in Logierait, Perth, Grizel ( Grissel ) McNab, who was born on 18 March 1744 in Logierait Perth Scotland, and had issue a son John b. 9 May 1764 Moulin Parish , chr. 11 May 1764 at Dunkeld Perth. Grizel's parents were Adam McNab and Catharin ( Catherine ) Robertson.

John McIntosh, son of Alexander McIntosh and Grizel MacNab, b. 9 May 1764 Moulin Parish , c 11 May 1764 at Dunkeld Perth, alias Mackintosh, married 2 Feb, 1784, Isobel ( or Isabel ) Cameron b. 22 Aug 1764 and christened, Moulin Parish, 25 or 26 August 1764, daughter of James Camron ( or Cameron ) and Elspeth Fergusson. From this marriage there appears to have been five children, Isobel b. 19 Nov 1784, Patrick b. 15 January  1786, Alexander b. 14 September 1788, Janet chr. 02 September 1792 and William b. 30 December 1795, all in Moulin Parish.

( From here I have physical proof by way of Census and Church record copies )

Alexander McIntosh  b. Redgorton ( Dull ) Perth 14 September 1788 married Elizabeth ( Ann ) Stewart b. 9 Jan 1802 Blair Atholl, the daughter of Alexander Stewart and Jane MacLauchlane. The marriage took place about the 20th of May 1821, These individuals appear in the 1841,1851,1861 Scottish Census and the Dunkeld Church records, and had issue John b. 24 May 1824, Peter b 23 Feb 1825,  Henry b 1832, Alexander b. 25 Mar 1833, Gordon b. 01 Jun 1834,  Charles b.18 Feb 1837, Elizabeth b 1840 and Neil b. Oct  8 1842 at Redgorton.  ( copies of the above names census's and the Old Scottish Parish records are in hand showing the family )

The 6th son, Charles Mackintosh alias McIntosh,  son of Alexander Mackintosh , sometimes McIntosh, was the father of Gordon ( Scotty ) McIntosh, born Scotland  1861 who immigrated to Allen's Township, Scott County, Iowa presumably sometime around 1860-1870 ( shows up in the 1870 census, 6th ward of Davenport, Scott County Iowa ) along with what appears to be his kinsmen ( perhaps cousins ), Duncan who was born in 1833, and Frederick who was born in 1846.  Both  living near Charles in Iowa. The witness at the marriage was Gordon McIntosh who was Charles's brother and the man he named his first son after.

Gordon, Charles son, was my G.Grandfather. I have documentary info to the time of Charles and Gordon's  father, Alexander who was born 1788, but before that the details are sketchy at best and most early info came by way of the IGI or from what I could gather from the census and marriage info.

At this point I feel like I am at a brick wall as John seems to be the likely candidtate for Alexs father but I can't find proof.

Kenneth McIntosh Kentucky USA

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Perthshire / Re: McIntosh of Moulin & Dunkeld
« on: Saturday 07 November 09 21:37 GMT (UK)  »
Actually Elizabeth ( Ann ) Stewart was born in 1801 and the marriage with Alexander McIntosh took place about the 20th of May 1821. The first child of record that I have been able to document is John b. 24 May 1824. Elizabeth was born at Blair Atholl and Alexander was born Redgorton and christined at Dunkeld.

I have all sorts of census info from 1841-1861 with their details but no where in the records does it state Alexanders parents. The marriage registry from Dunkeld lists Alexander and Elizabeth as being the parents of my g.g.g.grandfather Charles who was born in 1837 and imigrated to the US in 1871. I also have the marraige registry for Charles who married Mary Leslie showing Alexander and Elizabeth as Alex's parents.

The IGI lists for Dunkeld or Moulin show two seperate Johns , both having a son Alexander who marries an Elizabeth or Elspeth. I trying to find out which John is correct.

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Perthshire / Re: Elspeth/Elizabeth McIntosh Perthshire?
« on: Saturday 07 November 09 18:33 GMT (UK)  »
I too am looking for an Elizabeth ( Ann ) McIntosh nee Stewart , who married Alexander McIntosh , 20 May 1821.

Alexander McIntosh  b. Redgorton ( Dull ) Perth 14 September 1788 married Elizabeth ( Ann ) Stewart b. 9 Jan 1802 Blair Atholl, the daughter of Alexander Stewart and Jane MacLauchlane. The marriage took place about the 20th of May 1821, These individuals appear in the 1841,1851,1861 Scottish Census and the Dunkeld Church records, and had issue John b. 24 May 1824, Peter b 23 Feb 1825,  Henry b 1832, Alexander b. 25 Mar 1833,  Charles b.18 Feb 1837, Elizabeth b 1840 and Neil b. Oct  8 1842 at Redgorton. 

( copies of the Old Scottish Parish records are in hand showing the family ) But I cant seem to find out more about Elizabeth the mother or Elizabeth the daughter.

Any help would be appreciated.

Kenneth McIntosh Kentucky USA

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Perthshire / Re: McNab
« on: Saturday 07 November 09 18:17 GMT (UK)  »
I too am looking for information on the McNab family. In particular ...

Alexander McIntosh who was born about 1742-4, at Dull Perthshire Scotland and married on 8 April 1763, in Logierait, Perth, Grizel ( Grissel ) McNab, who was born on 18 March 1744 in Logierait Perth Scotland, and had issue a son John b. 9 May 1764 Moulin Parish , chr. 11 May 1764 at Dunkeld Perth. Grizel's parents were Adam McNab and Catharin ( Catherine ) Robertson.

John McIntosh, son of Alexander McIntosh and Grizel MacNab, b. 9 May 1764 Moulin Parish , c 11 May 1764 at Dunkeld Perth, alias Mackintosh, married 2 Feb, 1784, Isobel ( or Isabel ) Cameron b. 22 Aug 1764 and christened, Moulin Parish, 25 or 26 August 1764, daughter of James Camron ( or Cameron ) and Elspeth Fergusson. From this marriage there appears to have been five children, Isobel b. 19 Nov 1784, Patrick b. 15 January  1786, Alexander b. 14 September 1788, Janet chr. 02 September 1792 and William b. 30 December 1795, all in Moulin Parish.

Any information you have that may tie in the McNab lines would be helpful.

Kenneth McIntosh Kentucky USA

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Perthshire / Re: DUNKELD Info. Plse.
« on: Saturday 07 November 09 18:14 GMT (UK)  »
Dont know if any of you can help me but this was the only other thread that I could find pertaining specifically to Dunkeld Perth.

I am looking for the parents and ancestors of one Alexander McIntosh who was born at Redgorton ( or Dull ) Perth on 14 Sep 1788

Alexander McIntosh married Elizabeth ( Ann ) Stewart 20 May 1802, These individuals appear in the 1841,1851,1861 Scottish Census and the Dunkeld Church records, together they had issue John b. 1825, Peter b 1831, Henry b 1832, Gordon b. 1 Jun 1834, Charles b. 1837, Elizabeth b 1840 and Neil b. 1843.Records show them as living in Moulin Parish Perth and Dunkeld Perth.The children appear to have all been born in Redgorton Perth. There may have been other offspring as I did not find Gordon on the census records but did find him in the IGI databases showing the correct parents and location.

Alexander's father appears to have been John McIntosh. This John may be the son of Alexander McIntosh who married Grizel or Grissel McNab on 2 Feb 1784 . From this marriage there were 5 children including an Alexander who was born at Moulin Parish.

However, there are two John McIntoshs listed for Moulin parish and both have a son named Alexander. I am trying to make a connection to the right John.

The Charles above noted is my g.g.g.garandfather who imigrated from Dunkeld in the 1860-70's and settled into Allens Township Scott County Iowa. His sons then moved to Il. First in Rock Island Il and later Chicago.

Charles b. 1837 was married to Mary Leslie also b. 1837 and had a son named Gordon who in turn had a son Donald Scott who had a son Donald Gordon, who had a son Gordon Donald, my brother.

If you can help with any of these people it would be appreciated. Perhaps I can pin Alexander down by way of one of his brothers.

Kenneth McIntosh
Kentucky
   

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