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Staffordshire / Re: strays on the canals
« on: Tuesday 10 November 09 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Dear Stuart
I think my reply "The Elizabeth Ralph that you mention sounds like the sister of my GG Grandmother. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Ralph, boatmand, of Tipton, b. 16/4/1837 (died 1881-91), and Mary Ann, nee Astley, n Dec 10th 1839 in Castle Place, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire (died 1905).
My father was named Ralph after the family connection." was a bit confusing, and I apologize.
In fact there are two Elizabeth Ralphs that might fit.
The older Elizabeth was born in c1835.
Her parents were John Ralph, born c1905, place of birth "not known" and Elizabeth, also born approx 1905 (give or take 5 years, I guess). I do not know either set of parents. He was described as a "boatman" in the 1841 (living at 5 Wharf St, Shelton, Stoke on Trent) and 1851 (living at 12 Lower Green, Tipton) censuses.
Their children were (ages estimated from censuses):
Joseph c1830
Lucy c1832
Elizabeth c1835
John 16/4/1837-bef 1891
Anne c1840
William c1843
Samuel c1845
Mary c1847
Thomas c1851
John Ralph the son married Mary Anne Astley (1839 to 1905) on 20/10/1859
They were living at 5 Wharf St, Shelton in 1871. In 1881, Mary Anne is living in Graces house, Ellesmere Port, described as a Mariner's wife - no John. in 1891 she is a widow.
Their children are
Elizabeth b1854
Sarah Ann b 1860 (my GGrandmother)
Eliza 1867
David 1870
Mary Jane bet 1873 and '76
Isaac 1876
As you may guess, I have much more to learn about this branch of my family. I should be glad of any further information.
I think my reply "The Elizabeth Ralph that you mention sounds like the sister of my GG Grandmother. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Ralph, boatmand, of Tipton, b. 16/4/1837 (died 1881-91), and Mary Ann, nee Astley, n Dec 10th 1839 in Castle Place, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire (died 1905).
My father was named Ralph after the family connection." was a bit confusing, and I apologize.
In fact there are two Elizabeth Ralphs that might fit.
The older Elizabeth was born in c1835.
Her parents were John Ralph, born c1905, place of birth "not known" and Elizabeth, also born approx 1905 (give or take 5 years, I guess). I do not know either set of parents. He was described as a "boatman" in the 1841 (living at 5 Wharf St, Shelton, Stoke on Trent) and 1851 (living at 12 Lower Green, Tipton) censuses.
Their children were (ages estimated from censuses):
Joseph c1830
Lucy c1832
Elizabeth c1835
John 16/4/1837-bef 1891
Anne c1840
William c1843
Samuel c1845
Mary c1847
Thomas c1851
John Ralph the son married Mary Anne Astley (1839 to 1905) on 20/10/1859
They were living at 5 Wharf St, Shelton in 1871. In 1881, Mary Anne is living in Graces house, Ellesmere Port, described as a Mariner's wife - no John. in 1891 she is a widow.
Their children are
Elizabeth b1854
Sarah Ann b 1860 (my GGrandmother)
Eliza 1867
David 1870
Mary Jane bet 1873 and '76
Isaac 1876
As you may guess, I have much more to learn about this branch of my family. I should be glad of any further information.