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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 11 July 11 11:21 BST (UK)  »
It looks like J Timberlake was probably Joseph Timberlake. He features in the 1891 census living in the parish of St Andrews and his profession is given as Verger Church of England. He was born in about 1851 in Hemel Hempstead. I guess he may have known our relatives, or he may have just helped with the services and acted as a witness when needed. I do not think my relatives lived in the area for very long so I am guessing that they would not have had many friends or family nearby when they were married. 

Rob


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 11 July 11 11:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi Can1958

I also wondered who J Timberlake was...

Did you know that Fulham Football Club started out as St Andrew's church team at about the same time. I guess it is likely that our relatives would have known some of the early players...?

http://www.lbhf.gov.uk/Images/MorganPhillipsInterview_22_tcm21-88575.pdf

http://www.standrewsfulham.com/articles/football.html

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 17 May 10 11:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mo

I have tried to look up the marriage between John Wager and Sophia Marschall     
Mar. Quarter  1872
Kensington  Vol.1a  page 43

I have the 'Essentials Membership' on Ancestry, but it will not let me look at the actual image or the transcription. Do you know if I need the 'Premium Membership' in order to view it?

Cheers

Rob

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 17 May 10 01:39 BST (UK)  »
Until I received Charles' birth certificate in the post a few days ago I had assumed that Sophia's maiden name was Wager!

I had searched the census for a Sophia (leaving the surname section blank), who was born at this time in Terling. The first result that came back was a Sophia Wager. My great uncle had mentioned the Wager name before, and so I assumed that he must have been mistaken about the connection. I followed this Sophia Wager's family all the way back to the 1941 Census! Clearly I was barking up the wrong tree!



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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 17 May 10 01:25 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Claire

Do you know of any way I can find out a bit more about the W J Wager who you found on the CWGC website? Are lots of Richardsons listed on there too. Do you think there is any chance he could have signed up as a Marschall/Martchell out of rebellion against his father for walking out? Or was that not the done thing then?

I guess the birth certificates in Essex are more likely, but then again I wouldn't have expected marriages in Kensington or Fulham! Any ideas how to find which one? Or will I have to order each of these birth certificates?

This is going to turn out to be an expensive hobby I can tell!

Thanks again


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 17 May 10 01:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mo.

Have just seen your post. That looks like it must be right then! The 1881 Census shows Adam living with his dad William, an agricultural labourer.

Which website did you use to find this information?

Rob

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 17 May 10 01:06 BST (UK)  »
Wow! Brilliant. Thanks!

Christine - The marriage between Sophia Wager and Adam Richardson looks very promising! Wonder what they would have been doing in Fulham though? It's a long way from East London/Essex! I had assumed the marriage would have been quite local. Was it normal to travel a little? I can't imagine they had much money!

Carmela - The marriage between John Wager and Sophia Marschall looks right too! I tried just about every different spelling of Martchell I could think of but couldn't find anything! Again a bit concerned about the distance from Essex though!

Thank you very much both of you! Will have to get onto ordering these certificates!

Rob




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Family History Beginners Board / Hi - can anyone help me find my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Monday 17 May 10 00:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I am just starting to look into my family tree, and was wondering if anyone can help me to find out what happened to my great grandfather's family after he was separated from them....?

My great grandfather, Charles Edward Richardson (b 1891 West Ham) was effectively orphaned at a young age. His mother died when he was about 10, and his father left shortly afterwards. Charles also had a brother (or half brother??) William J., who is thought to have been killed in WW1.

I have found the family listed on the 1901 census, living in West Ham.....
Adam Richardson (Head), Aged 42 (1859) b. Terling, Essex
Sophia " " (Wife), Aged 48 (1853) b Terling, Essex
William " " (son), aged 13 (1888) b Romford, Essex
Charles " " (son), aged 9 (1892) b West Ham, Canning Town

....and again on the 1891 Census living in Terling, Essex
Adam Richardson (head) aged 32 (1859) b Terling, Essex
Sophia " " (Wife) aged 38 (1853) b Terling, Essex
William J "  " (son), aged 3 (1888) b Romford, Essex

I have managed to trace Adam's family right back to the first available Census (1841), however I am hoping to find out what happened to him, and to William, after his Sophia's death.

I have looked for William on the CWGC website, however this is a little tricky as I am not sure what his surname was!
I have not yet found William's birth certificate, so am relying on the census entries. The 1891 and 1901 census returns show William to be a Richardson....however my great uncle (Charles' son) believes that he was a Wager, and that Charles and William were half brothers, with Sophia having been married twice, first to a Wager and then to a Richardson. This seems to be backed up by my Charles' birth certificate. Which gives his father as Adam Richardson, and his mother as "Sophia Richardson, late Wager formerly Martchell".

I unfortunately don't have much to go on. Charles understandably didn't talk about his childhood much, but I suppose it is likely he wouldn't have known very much about his background anyway?

Any advice on how to find Adam or William after 1901 would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Rob

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The Common Room / What happened to my great grandfather's brother?
« on: Sunday 16 May 10 23:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I am wondering if anyone can help me to find out what happened to my great grandfather's family after he was separated from them....?

My great grandfather, Charles Edward Richardson (b 1891 West Ham) was effectively orphaned at a young age. His mother died when he was about 10, and his father left shortly afterwards. Charles also had a brother (or half brother??) William J., who is thought to have been killed in WW1.

I have found the family listed on the 1901 census, living in West Ham.....
Adam Richardson (Head), Aged 42 (1859) b. Terling, Essex
Sophia " " (Wife), Aged 48 (1853) b Terling, Essex
William " " (son), aged 13 (1888) b Romford, Essex
Charles " " (son), aged 9 (1892) b West Ham, Canning Town

....and again on the 1891 Census living in Terling, Essex
Adam Richardson (head) aged 32 (1859) b Terling, Essex
Sophia " " (Wife) aged 38 (1853) b Terling, Essex
William J "  " (son), aged 3 (1888) b Romford, Essex

I have managed to trace Adam's family right back to the first available Census (1841), however I am hoping to find out what happened to him, and to William, after Sophia's death.

I have looked for William on the CWGC website, however this is a little tricky as I am not sure what his surname was. I have not yet found William's birth certificate, so am relying on the census entries. The 1891 and 1901 census returns show William to be a Richardson....however my great uncle (Charles' son) believes that he was a Wager, and that Charles and William were half brothers, with Sophia having been married twice, first to a Wager and then to a Richardson. This seems to be backed up by my Charles' birth certificate. Which gives his father as Adam Richardson, and his mother as "Sophia Richardson, late Wager formerly Martchell".

I unfortunately don't have much to go on. Charles understandably didn't talk about his childhood much, but I suppose it is likely he wouldn't have known much about his background anyway.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

Rob
 







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