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  Hi, Cancel that, just remembered where I could find her age-- and it's not her.
Back to the drawing board...

Absolutely, and that is what I intend to do, now Anna has found the marriage of Charles and Minnie "Winnie", Evans, which I couldn't find previously.

Other than that, it was circumstantial evidence only which led me to believe Charles and Emily were the parents, such as occupation, dates, area of Birmingham (I would have thought on a census you might get Aston or Birmingham reported as place of birth - were the enumerators really that exact?? When he was at home, and when he was gone (married?).  And I couldn't find a trace of the other Charles, son of George and Martha, going forward, although obviously I could never quite ignore this possibility, due to the similarity in the name.   I suppose one instinctively goes with the revolving door, rather than the brick wall.

This Charles had an elder brother Arthur, and one of my Charles' sons was named Arthur.  Once I get the marriage cert, I'll know which family for sure, but I guess I'll never know why the strange middle name, whether it was Surrender  or Surendar, or whatever.

Thanks for your interest.  I'll see what I get.  Glad the marriage has been found.  Off to bed now.
Myrrh

I know, I know.  Can this Charles Serendar Smith be found in 1881??

As I said in an earlier post, I saw as a child a mourning card for Charles Surrender Smith aged 30 something, which was typewritten, since disappeared.  When I sent for his death certificate it says Charles Surrender Smith aged 39,  it was handwritten, and said "widow present at death," which was just put down as "M Smith". He died in Villa Street, and his occupation was Brass Dresser Journeyman.

All I know for certain is that the Minnie Smith shown in 1901 living in Villa Street, Aston, Birmingham is my great grandmother. RG13?sorry, punched hole through it! My grandfather Ernest is there aged 8. He lived in Villa Street all his life (73 years).

So in 1891 I had a Charles and Minnie Smith in Villa Street and he was a Brassdresser.   Of the children mentioned on this, I have found deaths for both Clara and George, both of whom died as toddlers.  Which leaves a son Charles aged 2 in this 1891 census and in the 1901 census I have the widow with a son Charles, 10 years older at 12.

It's 1881 which is the crux I think.  RG11/3027 in Railway Terrace, Aston, as a Brassdresser with his parents - or is it this other Charles Serendar Smith - where?

Myrrh

 :)That's interesting.  Minnie was her proper name, as she remarries using it after being widowed.  I knew Charles was with his parents in 1881 and with Minnie on the 1891 census as "married".  I haven't been able to find a marriage, but if Minnie was transcribed as Winnie, that would be understandable - I suppose it might mean they couldn't afford to get married, or maybe they were waiting to be sure they liked each other enough!

Myrrh