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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Sunday 18 March 12 23:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Will
My Ancestor is Alice Mare daughter of John Mare of Milton and Catherine Lowndes and sister of John Mare who married Mary Ford and Deborah Mare who married John Repton
My Alice Mare married  John Ford and i was wondering whether you knew if my John Ford was related to your Mary Ford who married  John Mare

Kind Regards
Robert

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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Sunday 18 March 12 23:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Maggie et al - many thanks for all your past posts which I have read with interest. I wondered if you could possibly send a copy of your Mare tree - or at least the relevant bit please? My ancestor was one John Mare of Milton, born circa 1745 the son of John Mare of Milton by Catherine Lowndes, who died 1811. He married his sister's niece (sounds bizarre but true).

Would be most grateful for any help!

Will

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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Wednesday 24 March 10 18:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi WC
This could be a theory as to why Obadiah Mare was christened 1798 in Trentham but ended up in Uttoxeter

You have the marriage of Obadiah Mare to Sarah Blewer ( Bloor) 1793 in Whitmore, Staffordshire then you have the christening of Obadiah Mare 1798 in Trentham but possibly Sarah Mare nee Blewer died between 1800-1807 as there is a marriage of an Obadiah Mare to a Mary Colclough    
17 OCT 1808      Stoke Upon Trent, Stafford.
You would need to check if Obadiah Mare was a widower in 1808 when he married Mary Colclough

Below is the distance travelled by Obadiah Mare if the theory was correct

Whitmore to Trentham
Total Distance: 4.79 mile(s), 7.71 km(s)
Estimated journey time of: 10 minute(s)

Then

Trentham to Stoke-on-Trent
Total Distance: 3.72 mile(s), 5.99 km(s)
Estimated journey time of: 6 minute(s)

Then
    
Stoke-on-Trent to Uttoxeter
Total Distance: 16.74 mile(s), 26.94 km(s)
Estimated journey time of: 20 minute(s)


Regards
Robert

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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Wednesday 24 March 10 14:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hi WC

I found this marriage which might be of interest to you

OBADIAH MARE  to Sarah Blewer - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 01 DEC 1793 Whitmore, Stafford, England
(surname Blewer may also be Bloor)

My Ancestor Alice Mare who married John Ford in Stoke on trent 1/11/1764 had a sister Deborah Mare who married John Repton at the same church in Whitmore, Staffordshire

DEBORAH MARE  to John Repton - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 14 JUL 1763 Whitmore, Stafford, England

It could be possible that Obadiah Mare and my Alice Mare and her sister Deborah Mare are related somehow  given the location where they married in Whitmore, Staffordshire

Regards
Robert

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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Monday 22 March 10 19:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi WC
Below is some information for a place called Spragg House , Norton on the Moors

It mentions Obediah Mare of Spragg House who your Obediah may be a  descendant of.

I descend from Alice Mare born 1747 daughter of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes who married John Ford. The sister of Alice Mare was Deborah Mare who married John Repton, now the sister of John Repton called Mary Repton married Hugh Ford of Spragg House so my ancestors may be related to Obediah Mare and Hugh Ford.
A Stephen Mare is mentioned in the wills of my John Ford and John Mare of Milton 1810 and the brother of my Alice Mare was called Stephen therefore Spragg House could hold alot of clues to my ancestry

I think that John Mare who died 1810 could also be another brother of my Alice Mare as his will mentions his exectutors his wife Mary Mare of Milton, Stephen Mare of Stoke on Trent and Richard Dean, he also mentions his son and daughters two of which married Arthur Godwin and William Gallimore Harrison.
All these people are mentioned in land deals for Spragg House and with it all starting in 1700 with Obediah Mare this may be an ancestor we both share ?

Spragg House  [no ref. or date]

Folder icon  Assignment of lease. Obediah Mare of Spragg House in Norton in the Moors, co. Staff., husbandman, to Richard Parratt of Bignall hill, co. Staff., yeoman. A messuage called the Sprage howse near Fordgreene in the parish of Norton, co. Staff. (Please order number 857)  MS 917/1704  16 June 12 Will III [1700]


Regards
Robert

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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Monday 19 October 09 15:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Magie
In the will of my John Ford dated 1810 a yeoman of Odd Rode, Astbury it mentions his wife Alice Ford (nee Mare), John Mare and Stephen Mare of Milton, Staffordshire.
The Will of John Mare of Norton in the Moors a gentleman proved 3/5/1811 his executors were Mary Mare of Milton (i assume to be his wife, Stephen Mare of Stoke Upon Trent and Richard Dean of Burslem
and also the children of John Mare of Milton ie Sarah Mare . Mary Mare who later married William Harrison in 1811, Elizabeth Godwin (nee Mare) as she was already married in 1804 to Arthur Godwin and John Mare
This seems to show that John Mare of Milton and Stephen Mare and my Alice Mare are all related and connected to land around Sprag house in Norton in the Moors as you will see from documents mentioned below and therefore very likely to be connected to the Ford family of Ford Green hall and the Repton Family. I have the christenings which show Stephen Mare and Alice Mare being the children of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes but am still looking for the christening of John Mare of Milton who's will was proved in 1811 to see if he is their brother or a cousin. The fact that Alice, Stephen and John Mare are all mentioned on the will of my John Ford of Odd Rode in 1810 could suggest that they are brothers and sister.

Found these bits of information in the Birmingham Archives
Norton-in-the-Moors  [no ref. or date]
Particulars of the survey of the Trust Estate at Norton, co. Staff. (Description of tenements of Mr. Repton, John Mears, Francis Mears and Woodhouse Lane tenement.) (Please order number 877)  MS 917/207  1703

Abstract of indenture. John Sparrow of Newcastle under Lyme, John Hales, William Lowndes, Francis Mear, John Repton and William Sherratt. Relating to the working of several coal mines in the parish of Norton in the Moors, co. Stafford. (Please order number 2370)  MS 917/40  1 January 1773 1856

This indenture mentioned above is interesting as it mentions in 1773 William Lowndes who could possibly be my Alice Mares uncle as her mother was Katherine Lowndes who had a brother William Lowndes aswel as her father being called William Lowndes and links the Lowndes, Meare and Repton families in business ventures

Counterpart. Assignment in trust to attend the inheritance. Thomas Bagnall of Newcastle under Lyme, John Fenton of same, John Repton of Norton on the Moors, Francis Meare of same, John Mellor of lpstones and Hugh Ford the younger of Ford Green. A messuage with appurtenances called Spragg House in Norton on the Moors. (Please order number 914)  MS 917/1705  19 December 1707

Demise. Hugh Ford of Spragg House in Norton in the Moores, co. Staff., Francis Mare of Norton Green and Charles Brown of Norton. A messuage called the Spragg House with appurtenances in Norton in the Moores. (Please order number 1331)  MS 917/1706  29 November 1756

No further details   Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by William Grindey of land near the Spraghouse within the said manor to the use of John Mare of Milton and the admittance of John Mare. (Please order number 1841)  MS 917/1707  26 November 1802

No further details   Copy of Court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by John Mare of Milton of land near the Spraghouse within the said Manor to the use of his will. (Please order number 1848)  MS 917/1708  8 November 1804

No further details   Copy of agreement. John Mare of Milton and John Sparrow of Bishton and John Hales of Cobridge. concerning coal mines under an estate called the Spragg House in Norton in the Moors, co. Stafford. (Please order number 1849)  MS 917/1709  16 November 1804


No further details   Surrender by John Mare of Milton of land at Spraghouse within the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, to the use of his will. (Please order number 1866)  MS 917/1710  27 February 1807

No further details   Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by John Repton the younger and Richard Dean of land near Spraghouse within the said manor, to the use of John Mare and the admittance of John Mare to the said land. (Please order number 1900)  MS 917/1711  3 November 1810

No further details   Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of John Mare of Milton to land near the Spraghouse within the said manor. (Please order number 1901)  MS 917/1712  3 November 1810

No further details   Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of John Mare of Milton within the said manor to lands near Spraghouse within the said manor. (Please order number 1902)  MS 917/1713  3 November 1810

No further details   Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of Elizabeth Godwin of Leek and Mary Harrison of same, to land near the Sprag House within the said Manor. (Please order number 2009)  MS 917/1714  6 November 1821
(Elizabeth Mare married Arthur Godwin 18/10/1804 Norton in the Moors and Mary Mare married William Harrison 13/7/1811 Norton in the Moors)

Regards
Robert

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Staffordshire / Re: Wolstanton records
« on: Sunday 18 October 09 15:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi my name is Robert Leigh and my ancestor was Alice Mare ch 30/6/1747 Norton on the Moors daughter of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes who married John Ford 1/11/1764 at St Peter's Parish Church, Stoke on Trent, her siblings were Deborah Mare ch 17/11/1745 who married John Repton, Catherine Mare, Benjamin Mare, Mary Mare, Ellen Mare and Stephen Mare.

I am trying to find out further information for this Mare family in Norton on the Moors and see if my John Ford who married Alice Mare is part of the Ford family from Ford Green Hall in Smallthorne. A lot of clues found seem to point to this and John Repton husband of Deborah Mare sister of my Alice Mare had a sister Mary Repton who married Hugh Ford of Sprag house, Norton on the Moors which shows that the Mare, Repton and Ford families knew each other and socialized and intermarried along with the Adams family.

Any help appreciated
Robert

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