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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham
« on: Thursday 15 October 09 18:23 BST (UK)  »
I think we have discovered the same people.  I have had a lot of information from the website you mentioned too - very useful.  I think that the Ann Allen marriage may be another generation earlier so I have a note of it.

I think Robert Jarvis Kemp b 1812 was son of Joseph Kemp and Mary Jarvis.  He had siblings Malin 1809, Sarah 1811, Joseph 1814, William 1818, Henry 1819 and Edwin 1821.  I think that Joseph senior's parents were the John Kemp and Mary Kelk I mentioned before.  It was Joseph's brother, John, who was the Sheffield cutler but I think that he changed occupation and, by 1829, was back in Tickhill as a grocer/draper.

I cannot spot a link between this family and that of Charles Kemp who married Mary Matthews.  These seem to be the butchers.  Do you have one?

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham
« on: Thursday 15 October 09 14:42 BST (UK)  »
There is a member submission on the IGI for a John Kemp b 1773 father John, mother Mary in Tickhill.  If this is correct (and I admit it may not be) I would say that the family is as follows:

John Kemp (shoemaker) m Mary Kelk 14 Nov 1766
Children:
Mary Kemp bap 11 Oct 1768
Samuel Kemp bap 27 Dec 1770
Daniel Kemp bap 27 Jan 1771
John Kemp bap 19 Mar 1773 (cutler's apprentice)
George Kemp 21 Aug 1775
Joseph Kemp bap 21 Aug 1778

It also makes the last two on here prime candidates for the entries in Baines Directory 1822: George Kemp, boot and shoemaker (as was his father) and Joseph Kemp, grocer, linen & woollen draper, hatter and hosier.

Pigots Directory in 1829 has John Kemp, Market Place, grocers and drapers - is this John junior (who first became a cutler)?

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham
« on: Thursday 15 October 09 12:40 BST (UK)  »
Have now got a definite connection from the Tickhill Kemps to the Sheffield cutler Kemps.  The Sheffield cutler's apprentice records show a John Kemp taken as an apprentice in 1785, son of John Kemp (shoemaker, deceased) of Tickhill, to master cutler David Lambert for a period of 9 years.  This could mean John Kemp junior born in approx. 1773  (usually about 21 when apprenticeship finished).

There are also another two Kemps on the apprenticeship records that I can place as being part of my "cutler" Kemp line who were baptised in Sheffield.

Can you spot this chap on your records from Tickhill?

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham
« on: Thursday 15 October 09 11:02 BST (UK)  »
I have tried to map all the Sheffield Kemps and come up with two lines which, at present, don't connect.  One has butchers and tailors (I guess this is mine) and the other has cutlers.

I think my line goes John 1821 (tailor) - John 1780 (butcher) - Thomas 1750 (butcher) m Mary Sylvester - John (tailor) m Mary Worrall (I have other Worral/Kemp links too).

The other line goes back to Robert (hardwareman) who had numerous cutlers as descendents (not surprising in Sheffield).  This Robert is the correct age to either be father or elder brother to the eldest John above.

There are also more Roberts (and others) who I haven't managed to place yet as some are obviously marrying and being baptised away from Sheffield - but where?  With the Tickhill connections you have found I am wondering if the connection could be there.  From directories it would appear that there are Kemps in Tickhill who are drapers too - not a million miles from a tailor to a draper.

The same names and occupations seem to be running through both lots of Kemps so I am sure that there must be a link somewhere.   

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham
« on: Wednesday 14 October 09 22:13 BST (UK)  »
I am also looking at a Kemp family who were butchers in Sheffield and have looked at all your postings with great interest.

I have John Kemp b 1821 Sheffield son of John Kemp, butcher.  I have tried to follow all the Kemps in Sheffield into the 1700s.  As there are very few, the family lines are quite easy to follow but the family are definitely moving to and from Sheffield from elsewhere.  I thought that perhaps they were not originally from Sheffield and that some lines moved there for work and were going back "home" to stay with relatives.  I just hadn't worked out where "home" was.  I think now it might be Tickhill.  For example I can find no birth for the John Kemp who is supposedly the butcher.  I wonder if you have found him for me, born in Tickhill in 1801?

I had got the marriage of Robert Kemp and Angelina Parkinson on 8 Nov 1858 in Cathedral St Peter, Sheffield.  Had you noticed that, on the same day, in the same place, Emma Kemp married William Parkinson? - presumably this was two lots of siblings.

Anyway, you may want to look toward Sheffield if you find yourself missing any baptisms or marriages in the Kemp line in the 1700s.  There are definitely some non-conformists too.

I would love to hear from you if you have any more information that could link our lines.


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