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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Wednesday 04 May 22 01:40 BST (UK)  »
This is the information I had re Ellen and Margaret which you have;

BROGAN   Ellen, 1854, age 33, born Enniscarty Father, Murty CONDRY / Mary xxxx   Mother-in-law married to James Brogan, Spring Valley, near Goulburn *Ship China*

BROGAN   Margaret 1854 18 born Enniscarty,Father Brian / Ellen xx  Father dead;Mother on board. (Ellen Brogan, a widow).Ship China   
Source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maddenps/GALWAYEM.htm

Bryan Brogan and Penelope O'Brien were the parents of James Brogan (the convict).

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Monday 02 May 22 01:45 BST (UK)  »
Have been following the tread maybe this can explain some of your questions.
After 20 years after becoming free James Brogan had become affluent enough to pay a deposit of 40 pounds in July 1853 to bring his 3 brothers and the survivors of their families to join him in NSW in the wake of the great famine in Ireland.

Teenagers Michael and John sons of James' older brother Thomas and his wife Mary; another brother Michael, a widower and his son James : Patrick, the youngest of the brothers and unmarried; and sister-in law Ellen, wife of his brother Bryan and their daughter Margaret all arrived on the China on the 24 September 1854. The last mentioned brother, Bryan did not arrive and his daughter's immigration record shows that her father was then deceased.

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Wednesday 10 February 21 02:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Christine
I am still around but slowed down a bit on my research on the Brogans. I still have the same email address if you need to make contact again.
Joy Conroy :)

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Tuesday 03 November 20 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
I am a desc of James Brogan and Elleinor O'Brien.  James & Ellen lived on five acres of rented land in Cappabane and was transported to NSW for the attempted murder of Philip Reade of Mount Shannon in 1824.  James' trial No. 688 was held on the 4 April 1827,  has held in Galway where he was sentenced to death for break, enter and discharging a firearm in County Galway although he lived in County Clare adjacent. His sentence was commuted to transport for life to New South Wales occupation given as Farm Servant.

James' was born abt 1791 and his parents were Bryan Brogan and Penelope O'Brien. Possible  siblings were John b abt 1793, Michael b abt 1798.

His wife Elleinor and children joined him in 1838. His eldest sons Thomas and Peter followed on a later ship.
 

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Monday 07 August 17 22:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kim
Sorry I thought your message was an old one 2016.  What ever information I can help with I would only to glad to share. Here is an account of his crime.
The attempted murder of Philip Reade, Mountshannon, March 17th, 1824

James & Ellen lived on five acres of rented land in Cappabane. In the adjoining townland of Shean lived Anthony Boland who had fourteen acres of rented land. In the townland of Fossabeg lived Daniel Dinan who rented a few acres in common with nine others. Across the river Bow in the townland of Magherareagh lived Patrick Durack and his wife Judith Bleach. This man was an uncle of Michael Durack ancestor of the Duracks of "Kings in Grass Castles " fame. For some unexplained reason he was never mentioned in Dame Mary Durack's best seller, first published in 1959.

In the townland of Sellernane , Mountshannon lived Patrick O'Dea and his wife. His subsequent actions were to change the lives of the above forever.Philip Reade, of Woodpark, owned half the parish of Mountshannon and was also a successful barrister. He had a magnificent country house with landscaped gardens overlooking Holy Island and Lough Derg. He was by all accounts a benevolent landlord, particularly in later years during the Great Hunger.

On St Patrick's night 1824, Brogan, Durack, Dinan, Boland, O'Dea and one Patrick Tuohy, for some unexplained reason broke into Philip Reade's house with the sole intention of murdering him. They shot him in the chest and shoulder and presumed he was dead. For months Philip Reade lay dangerously ill while the best surgeons in the country attended him.

The military and yeomanry scoured the countryside for his attackers and offered fifty pounds for information. No one in this part of the country was more despised than the informer and no one more deserving of the curse "may the hearthstone of hell be your bed forever." For two years the search continued until finally one of the party Patrick O'Dea informed the authorities.

There was a lot of interest in the trial but still no motive was given or at least reported. Patrick O'Dea stated that it was James Brogan who set it up and to divert suspicion they pretended to quarrel in the ensuing weeks. O'Dea was to accuse Brogan of having an affair with his wife, and this would prevent the neighbours from having any suspicions. No witness was called for the defence and after about twenty minutes the jury returned with a guilty verdict. The judge with spine chilling solemnity then said "You James Brogan, Patrick Durack, Anthony Boland, and Patrick Tuohy are to be taken from hence, to the place from whence you came and from thence to the place of execution and there you are to hang by the necks until you are dead - and may God almighty have mercy on your souls"
A few days before the intended execution they were all reprieved. No reason was given and they were sent as convicts to New South Wales. On Tuesday May 28th 1827 under strong escort they passed through Ennis on their way to the hulk "Surprise", lying at anchor at the cove of Cork.
Source Robert Mote Home page http://www.ozigen.com/tree/p167.htm#i12025.

Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837
1825
Name:   James Brogan
County:   Clare
Parish:   Tomgraney
Townland:Cappybane Mountain Farm

There were also other Brogans in the same area brothers I think.
Brogan Stephen   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan Michl   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan James   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan, Jr Michl   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan? Michl   Cappabane Mountain Farm

Passage form book "Letters from Irish Australia" by Professor Patrick O’Farrell.
"Other convicts- perhaps less sure of their persuasive powers, or less literate, or with more accommodating masters - got help from their employers. Robert Futter of Lumley in the County of Argyle, Goulburn wrote on 10 November, 1834 on behalf of his servant James Brogan. He told Mrs Brogan…I consider that when you are (with your family) fortunate enough to reach this country you have every reason to expect that he will be able ( with the exertion of yourself and family) to maintain you respectably. Every person in this Colony who is honest, sober and industrious cannot fail to do well.

Futter also told Mrs Brogan that her husband had all the relevant permissions and instructed her in the formalities to be follow, He left the last page for Brogan himself to reply to a letter his wife had sent; There is nothing in this world grieved me but the delay of you and family my son Thomas cant come in the same ship with you for being of age and the best thing that can do is to go to the Captain of the ship and enter with him as a working hand if he dont engage with the Captain he is sure to come in the next meal ship that leaves Ireland.

Brogan, had been literate but neither fluent of grammatical, Brogan had been transported in 1829. He had six children. His 35yr wife Ellen, together with 3 daughters and 1 son (the other 2 sons aged 20 and 18 left on a later ship) left Cork to join him on 22 October 1835 on the Roslin Castle"

Regards
Joy


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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Friday 19 August 16 00:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi Thanks for supplying the information, I also have information on his trial in Ireland if any others are interested.
Regards
Joy

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Tuesday 16 August 16 23:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi Suzanne
Good to hear from another Brogan desc my line comes through James and Ellen oldest child Thomas brother to Margaret.
Regards
Joy

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Monday 27 June 16 21:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks you for pointing out the rules for this thread much appreciated as I have not been back to this site for awhile.  My first posting on this subject I made in 2009 I think, the person I was replying to is researching another branch of my Brogan family.  Once again thanks for informing me of changes that I was not aware of. :)

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Clare / Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« on: Sunday 26 June 16 21:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Brian.
Good to hear from you, yes still playing around with the Brogans picking up bits and pieces here and there.  I will send you through the personal message system by email address.
Regards
Joy

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