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Sussex / Re: A Russian Willis in Brighton
« on: Monday 06 November 06 03:10 GMT (UK) »
HI kizmiaz
You did not get back to me saying were the Payne came from. I did not say befor because it seems too weird. But my Paynes seem to rise from nothing to achieve quite high standing. Ie quite a few leases for property in London . They start as drappers in southampton st and then by the late 1820sare wine merchants at 61 st james street; theycontinued in the wine trade for the next 100 years plus. In trying to find out how they got started I came across Weltje who ran the Thatched house ( a well known mens club in St james street) Weltjewent on to become a chef to the Prince Regent.
Branched out into other areas of the royal house hold. Money lender/raiser to + for the Regent . As well as playing a large role in securing the land for the Brighton pavilion. The times newspaper has quite a few of his escapades. He is described by the national portrait gallary as Louis Weltje (1745-1810), Comptoller to the Prince of Wales. Sitter in 5 portraits. If there is a conection between your Payne Willis and my lot I would be very intreasted. Your family story of Russian's maybe mistaken however if a conection to the Paynes of St James street, then it would have bases all be it several generations eariler.
When I said the Paynes did well it was only one brothers side of the family.
You did not get back to me saying were the Payne came from. I did not say befor because it seems too weird. But my Paynes seem to rise from nothing to achieve quite high standing. Ie quite a few leases for property in London . They start as drappers in southampton st and then by the late 1820sare wine merchants at 61 st james street; theycontinued in the wine trade for the next 100 years plus. In trying to find out how they got started I came across Weltje who ran the Thatched house ( a well known mens club in St james street) Weltjewent on to become a chef to the Prince Regent.
Branched out into other areas of the royal house hold. Money lender/raiser to + for the Regent . As well as playing a large role in securing the land for the Brighton pavilion. The times newspaper has quite a few of his escapades. He is described by the national portrait gallary as Louis Weltje (1745-1810), Comptoller to the Prince of Wales. Sitter in 5 portraits. If there is a conection between your Payne Willis and my lot I would be very intreasted. Your family story of Russian's maybe mistaken however if a conection to the Paynes of St James street, then it would have bases all be it several generations eariler.
When I said the Paynes did well it was only one brothers side of the family.