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Northumberland / Re: ship lost at sea
« on: Thursday 14 October 10 07:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Alan

Thank you for the information, I agree they dont look like a match.  Ancestry.co.uk keeps throwing up a possible hint and it shows in 1881 a John Farrell in the Borough hospital in Birkenhead and he is born in the same year as my GGGrandfather the mariner but it shows his occupation as a ships rigger.  It is possible he returned to Merseyside from Sunderland at some.

I am wondering if he was a mariner could he be a ships rigger?  If so why would it show him as a master mariner on his sons marriage certificate?

I am not that good on marine history yet:(

Kind Regards

Bernadette

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Northumberland / Re: ship lost at sea
« on: Wednesday 13 October 10 13:38 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Michael

they settled on Sans Street in Sunderland on the 1871 census which wasnt too far from the Sea front looking at the map.  Would you know was this a popular area for Mariners to live?



Kind Regards

Bernadette


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Northumberland / Re: ship lost at sea
« on: Wednesday 13 October 10 12:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ros

thank you, I did find a John Farrell in on the net and it mentioned Newfoundland but I just ruled him out as I thought it would be somebody who lived there, I didnt realise that there is a data base for non canadian sailors.  I will look into it.

Thank you

Bernadette

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Northumberland / Re: ship lost at sea
« on: Wednesday 13 October 10 12:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi Wolfie

thank you for replying.  Do you mean that he wasnt on the Cordelia or you cannot find him in the register for any deaths at sea?

I did find a John Farrell on the Pliny which was owned by Lambert and Holt of Liverpool and it sank of New Jersey who drowned.  I dont know if that would be him.  Because he was from Liverpool originally before he settled and had his family in Sunderland I thought there could be a possibility but the record said for the *Pliny* he was from Ireland.  Is there any way that I could find out whether the Pliny sailed from Tyneside?  Also do you know if there is a register for coal colliers and their crew from the mid 1800s onwards?

There may be no connection to coal but My Dad 83 has always said the story went down the family about him going between ireland and whitley bay on a coal ship.  I have studied Whitley bay too to see if in the 1850 to 1870 they were shipping coal but cannot find anything to support it. I know its a needle in a haystack but thats the wonder of the internet there is always someone who is more experienced.

I have paid for 3 hours research in August but they are short staffed at Tyneside Library Research Services so there will be a delay. and I live  in Wales so going over at the moment isnt an option. 

I welcome any hints or tips thank you.

Bernadette

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Northumberland / Re: ship lost at sea
« on: Tuesday 12 October 10 16:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi I read your posts as I am searching for my family also mariners and wondered if anybody could help.

I am searching for my GGGrandfather John Farrell born liverpool 1839 and was a mariner
in 1871 he is living in Sunderland and is married to Elizabeth from Sligo in Ireland
their children are Peter born Durham city also a mariner but if his date of birth is correct on the census and he is 16 it would have put his parents as being 14 and 15 when he was born.
The younger son John born in Sunderland as are his 2 sisters.  John Junior married in 1889 and his marriage certificate records his father John as deceased and a Master Mariner.  So he must have died sometime between the 1871 census and 1889 when his son married.
They lived at Bishopwearmoth in 1871.

My father remembers a story passed down that he had worked on a coal ship and was a master sailing from whitley bay to Ireland and he married the inn keepers daughter.  He though that her surname was Marshall.  He actually married elizabeth from Sligo, but I dont know her surname.
There may be some truth in the coal ship.  I have searched all sorts of sites and cannot find either John Farrell Master mariner or Peter Farrell.  If anybody could help I would be really grateful

Bernadette

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Hi Cat

I looked at him and his will, but he is a different John to my one unfortunatley. 

Thanks again

Duvessa

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Hi Cat

Thanks for replying thats the 1871 one that I found but I cannot find any of them on the census previous or afterwards.

I have searched for them individually too.

thank you for taking the trouble to look.

Duvessa

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Hi

I am searching for my great great grandfathers family John Farrell (mariner) and his son below

John Farrell born Sunderland 1867 occupation boilermaker, wife ellen mahoney born liverpool
also his father John Farrell born Liverpool 1939 occupation Mariner wife Elizabeth ? born in Sligo, Ireland 1838 and his siblings
Peter Farrell born Durham City
Mary Ann Farrell born Sunderland
Catherine Farrell born Sunderland

On John juniors marriage cert to Ellen Mahoney in 1889 it states his Father was John Farrell master mariner deceased.

I have checked Master Mariners registers and cannot find a match.

The first census that I can find for them is 1871 living in Sans Street, Sunderland and it has been transcribed as Parrell and not Farrell, which I have corrected but I cannot find anything earlier for them or after 1871.  I do pick up John Junior living in Liverpool in 1891 in Liverpool and he had his firrst daughter in Newcastle in 1990, but a year later he is living in Liverpool so there are family connections between Liverpool and Sunderland.  The other mystery is that the eldest son Peter date of birth it would have meant his father was 14 and his mother 15 when he was born.

If anybody could help I would be really greatful.

Duvessa












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Dublin / Mary Ann Kelly, Dublin born 1846/7
« on: Monday 26 October 09 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hello this is a long shot because of the name but I am seaching for details of my Great Great Grandmother Mary Ann Kelly, born possibley in Cabra,  Dublin her Father was James Kelly and Mother Elizabeth, I know there was an older sister to Mary Ann called Ann who Married an Andrew Callaghan and lived in Liverpool, and an older brother Michael Kelly who was born in Dublin but moved to Liverpool.  I cannot find their parents living in Liverpool.  On the 1861 english census Mary Ann Kelly is living with her Sister Ann and her Husband Andrew Callaghan and Michael is also living there.

Mary Ann Kelly came over to Liverpool some time between her birth in 1846/7 and 1867 when she married Henry Magoolaghan possibly from Co. Down.  Due to the age difference between Mary Ann and her brother and Sister I would think James her Father may have been born around 1800

I would be grateful if anybody could give me any help.

 :)

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