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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: Piddington baptism - Hillyard abt 1800 COMPLETED thanks
« on: Thursday 08 October 09 12:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi John and Diana,
Williams birth certificate shows he was born William Shaw on the 15th March 1852 to mother Eliza Shaw, resident of the Union Workhouse, Southam, Warwickshire.  There is no father shown.

So the lineage is inconclusive. 

However, it is my understanding that during those times (and many years after) when a boy got a girl pregnant he would be expected to marry her.  Is this what Thomas did?  I would like to think so!   There is only one way to prove the lineage and that would be through DNA testing of myself and you John!!!

John, what details, if any do you of the descendents of Thomas and Eliza and what details do you have of Thomas's ancestors?

Regards

John

Latest news!!!!

Eliza was working for a farmer and his wife on a farm at Ryton On Dunsmore at the time of the 1851 census (March 1851) and apart from Eliza, the farmer and his wife the only other resident at that time was a William Seaton, 17 yrs old,  Eliza was 19 yrs old.  Theory - two teenagers a long way from home, working hard but lonely and decide to enjoy each others company.  Eliza would probably have been sacked once her pregancy came to light, then possibly disowned by her parents hence she ends up in the Union Workhouse where William Shaw was born.  Her son being named after the father???  Thomas Hillyard came along and took on Eliza and her son even though William was not his.

Well we shall never know for sure.

John if Thomas is your 2nd Great grandfather and Eliza is my 2nd great grandmother you and I are related.  Are you on Genes Reunited?


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Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: Piddington baptism - Hillyard abt 1800 COMPLETED thanks
« on: Tuesday 06 October 09 16:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi John and Diane,
My Great grandfather is William Hillyard and I believe his father was Thomas Hillyard of Piddington making Thomas my 2nd Great grandfather and Williams mother being Elizabeth Shaw of Harbury, Warwickshire.  Thomas and Elizabeth married on 1st August 1854 and William had 11 siblings.

Having said all of this, there is a doubt.....William was born about October/November 1852, christened 1st November, William Shaw son of Elizabeth Shaw who married Thomas Hillyard.  I am waiting for Williams birth certificate to arrive although I do not expect the father to be listed.  I have a 4th cousin who also has this theory, he came about it completely seperately to me.

At present I have not visited Northampton to investigate Piddington records and I have been using the IGI register (as well as official BMD certificates) which is useful but something I treat with a degree of distrust as I have found some errors.

I would be interested in any family history of Thomas.  I have detailed information of Williams descendants.

John

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Renfrewshire / Re: Greenock-" the English invasion"
« on: Monday 28 September 09 17:05 BST (UK)  »
Linda,
I have been given a telephone no. for the MOD at Portsmouth where the records are kept, I have left a message on their answerphone and I am waiting their reply with interest.  I'll let you know what happens.

I have seen Scottish Secrets, thanks very interesting.  I have been trawling the National Archives for information about RNTF, Greenock and also torpedo testing at Loch Long and there are  lots of files and workers records, you need to search Catalogue records ADM 290 and ADM 140.  You can order certain details and others you can view by visiting.

Did you know that accomodation was provided for certain key personnel from Woolwich at a weekly rent of 9s, this was arranged by the MOD with the Scottish Garden Suburb Co.

John

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Renfrewshire / Re: Greenock-" the English invasion"
« on: Saturday 26 September 09 21:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Linda,
My grandfather Fredrick Rogers left the Royal Navy in 1910 and joined the Royal Fleet Reserves, Portsmouth in the same year then moved with his wife, son (my father) and daughter to work in the Torpedo factory, Greenock.  My grandfather was a torpedo instructor but what wokr he did and ow long he was at the factory I do not know.  I am trying to find out what he may have done and if there are any records of his service that are still available.  Unfortunately I have no relatives alive who have any knowledge of the times and people.

My father William Rogers was well known in the area, he was a musician and worked in the theartre and cinemas before returning with the family in the mid 1930's possibly when grandad retired in 1935.

I am researching my family's time in Greenock and I have been fascinated reading your post and the replies you've received.

John Rogers

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