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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wrexham Births - William ROBERTS
« on: Friday 30 May 14 12:31 BST (UK)  »
Wouldn't you know it... I got the certificate back from NWBMD and it turns out that William and Daniel's mother's maiden name was .... Roberts!

I suppose there was a fair chance of that.

Anyway, I've got one generation further back so thanks again for your help. I think this thread can be closed.

Dave

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wrexham Births - William ROBERTS
« on: Saturday 03 May 14 17:30 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again, William

I'm pretty sure these are the right Roberts family. I hadn't found them in my searches because I had assumed earlier birth dates for William's siblings.

Armed with this information I had another look on the findmypast Wales collection and found a marriage registry entry for Thomas Roberts and Hannah Thomas in 1879. This is a really good marker as William Roberts and Sarah Ellis' marriage certificate shows their wedding was witnessed by Thomas Roberts and Hannah. On the certificate I bought from NWBMD/Wrexham Records Office it is Hannah Roberts but on the image of the parish register on findmypast it is Hannah Thomas. Either way, I think it clearly links them as close family so I think it validates the census records you found as being the right ones for my ancestors.

I am sending off for a couple of certificates through NWBMD and will let you know what they reveal before showing this thread as complete.

Thanks again

Dave

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wrexham Births - William ROBERTS
« on: Wednesday 30 April 14 23:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the reply, William.

I'm afraid you're way ahead of me... I wasn't aware that his mother's name was Jane.
I'm sure its clear somehow but can you explain how you are so confident of this?

As you say, looking for Daniel's birth certificate may be the best route. I'll try that next.

Thanks again - you're helping me move forward with this conundrum.

Dave

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Wrexham Births - William ROBERTS
« on: Tuesday 29 April 14 16:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I'm hoping to find the maiden name of my great grandfather's mother so I'm trying to find a birth record.

My great grandfather was William Roberts and my late uncle gave his date of birth as 20 (or 28 - difficult to read) June 1852 in Rhosllanerchrugog, Ruabon, Wrexham.

My uncle's dates have proved to be not entirely reliable in other cases but the census returns and William's marriage certificate agree with a birth year of 1852 or possibly late 1851/early 1853.

From William's marriage certificate, his father's name was John and he is shown as a smelter.
William himself is shown as 25 years old at this time (29 Sep 1877).

Unfortunately I can find no birth record in Free BMD or NW BMD of a William Roberts birth in the  2nd or 3rd quarters 1852. I have also checked on Ancestry and Findmypast without success.

Findmypast now has an interesting baptism record for a William Roberts in Ruabon in July 1851, born to John and Dorothy Roberts but this seems too early. There are several other William Roberts births in Ruabon and Wrexham just before and after my 'target' time.

So I would appreciate it if someone could look up any other sources for William Roberts births in Rhos for 1851/2/3. I wonder if there are any non conformist records that might hold the answer, for example. Any other hints or suggestions would be welcome too!
 
Many thanks

Dave

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Hi Shirley

My great uncle, Caradog C Roberts, fought in the RWF - specifically 16th battalion, the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, part of 113rd Brigade in 38th Welsh Division, service number 201116).

Sadly he died in the final 100 days offensive, in the fighting around Villers-Outreaux.

I'm trying to locate a photo as I'm sure my grandmother had one. If I find one I'll scan it and send it to you.

If you already have one, I would really appreciate a copy!

Regards

Dave North 

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Sligo / Re: Gorman - Post Master in Ballymote?
« on: Thursday 26 September 13 14:20 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much for the quick reply. I'd assumed Francis was older (as I was looking for a postmaster, not a junior clerk) so I wasn't finding him in my searches. But it looks like it was Francis' father who was postmaster not Francis himself. But I'll follow up and try to find out if Francis followed in his father's footsteps.

Many many thanks again

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Sligo / Gorman - Post Master in Ballymote?
« on: Wednesday 25 September 13 23:04 BST (UK)  »
My relative tells me her grandfather was the postmaster at Ballymote. This would have been in the early 1900s but she doesn't remember any other details.

I checked the occupation records on Ancestry and found Francis William Gorman was appointed SC+T (which I believe stands for Sorting Clerks and Telegraphists) in 1898 but couldn't find any further record.

Can anyone confirm whether he went on to become post master?

In fact, any other information about the Gormans in Ballymote would be very welcome!

Sorry for the lack of information and many thanks to anyone who reads this and is able to help.



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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Horstead Look up please
« on: Saturday 17 November 12 17:16 GMT (UK)  »
Helen

I forgot to say... I'm fascinated by the photo you were using of 'Grandma Hostead'.

If you read this, I'd be very interested to find out who it was. Very likely to be an ancestor of mine too!

Regards

Dave

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Horstead Look up please
« on: Saturday 17 November 12 17:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Helen

Don't know if you are still looking for Horstead connections but I've also been looking at my Horstead ancestors and am trying to check my connection to Elizabeth and Henry. As you have already discovered (judging by your post) one major problem with tracing the Horsteads is the seemingly endless variety of mis-spellings in the census reports and other documents.

Anyway, all I have on Henry and Elizabeth is below:
Henry Horstead: b about 1825, father's name John Horstead
Married Elizabeth Goodyer on 10 May 1846
They had at least 4 children: George Henry b. 1856, James William b. 1858, Elijah b. 1860, d. 1860 and Alchamia b. 1864, d. 1864

I concluded that Henry is the same Henry Horstead in my family tree who was born on 10 May 1824. Although there is a difference of a year or so in the date of birth, Both Henry's were born in Brigg, Lincolnshire and both have a father John who is a 'roper' or rope maker. Also the name Alchamia crops up in later generations of the Horstead family.

If I am right, Henry is the son of John Horstead (b. 21 May 1795) and Elizabeth Bannister (b. 1794).
If you check my family tree on Ancestry, you can see how this then fits in with the other Horsteads of Lincolnshire and the West Ridings of Yorkshire. Or visit the excellent site http://www.lincolnshire-wolds.org which has lots of painstakingly researched information from church records for Lincolnshire.

As with several of my Horstead ancestors, they were watermen, seemingly spending much of their lives on board the barges and schooners which sailed the rivers and coastal seas. That's why they appear in so many locations in the different census returns.

If you're still looking for information, have a look at these two sites which have newspaper reports on Captain George Henry Hosrstead which give a real insight into the hazards of the waterman's life
http://www.knottingley.org/history/disasters-at-sea-012.htm
http://www.knottingley.org/history/pastyears/years_1929.htm

And there's an excellent article on the watermen and the ships they sailed here: http://www.knottingley.org/history/genealogy/adams-family-history.htm

Hope this is still of interest - even though its now a very old post!

I would like to thank you too - your post allowed me to find the records for some census returns with mis-spelt names which I was having real trouble finding.

Dave

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