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Hey Neil
I have sent my email, not sure you have received
Elaine

Hello Elaine,

No I haven't but I have sent my e-mail address again in a Personal Messsage on here, so you can either reply to that with yours or try sending me an e-mail again.

Cheers.

Neil

Elaine,

I think you may be referring to John Burgess (1848-1937), your grand-mothers' grand-father, who lived most of the second half of his life in Kitchener Road, Walthamstow with a second partner who he never married. He was a General Dealer and had 7 children by his second partner, after having 11 by his wife, Susan Martha Harvey. He lost an eye and lived a rather scruffy existence, but he wasn't Irish, or a Gypsy. He was also estranged from some of the children from his first marriage, including my great-grandfather, who only knew that he had left the family home and didn't realise he had set up a new one a few miles away.

The reason that the Burgess' are on here is that some of us are descended from them and have been studying the family history. There are also some who have tried to help answer some of the peculiarities and confusion in the line.

I am happy to share some of what I know, including a photo of John Burgess and his father Richard Burgess if you want to send me a Personal message with your e-mail address.

Neil

Hello,

I haven't been on here for quite a while, so sorry for the long delay in responding.

There seem to be a number of issues in the line you have posted, so it would be interesting to know where it came from.

A few initial thoughts are that,

1) much of the line before William (father of John Dingley b.1498) looks wrong
2) I am not aware of John Dingley (1498-1541) being a Knight
3) I have never known Henry Dingley (1524-1589) to be given the name Benjamin.
4) I have a death date for Samuel Dingley (b.1682) of 1712 and no known children - however that doesn't mean that is correct, I would need to do some research. I have a number of children for Samuel's father Francis, but no lineage for any of them.

I can start researching back from the earlier records and seeing where that gets to, but do you have any more information on locations or partners for any of the generations after Francis Dingley (1628-1712)?

Cheers.

Neil

Samuel Dineley did have a daughter Elizabeth who was born around 1719 and survived into adulthood. However, she is normally attributed as being the same Elizabeth who died a Spinster in 1796. If this attribution is wrong it is possible that it could be the same person, but it may be hard to prove.

Sorry I got the election the wrong way around in my previous note.

The original story is outlined by Samuel Foote, the nephew of the two brothers, in his (not always strictly factual) pamphlet "Memoirs of the Life of Sir John Dineley Goodere, Bart.,", but some information from the Historian E.A.B.Barnard from his weekly local history column in the Evesham newspaper published in the first half of the 20th Century matches some of this to Evesham records. My best interpretation of the most likely series of events is,

Samuel had lost his Captaincy in the Navy and was offered the opportunity to get it back from a candidate for the Evesham MP elections in return for getting his brother and father to support the candidate's election (they had considerable influence in the area). Samuel then found out that the candidate was not in a position to do as he promised, so switched his allegiance to a rival candidate. His brother and father, having given their oaths to the first, refused to switch sides, and the three fell out. Samuel resolved to get himself elected Mayor, probably in order to further influence the election, and was duly elected. It seems he got no further success in getting his candidate elected and probably left the area, for he was elected Mayor on 28th August 1733 and was sworn into office on 2nd October. However, records apparently show that, Samuel never sat as Mayor at any of the deliberations of the Council and on 23rd April 1734 John Dineley was sworn in as Mayor. He signed the minutes of a meeting held on the 7th August and remained in office until the following October.

The story of the 'unseating' comes from Foote, but should probably be put in the context of John having been sworn in, due to Samuel's 'not attendance' and Samuel coming back to Evesham and not wanting to accept his eviction. So, on a certain Mayor's Sunday at All Saints Church both brothers led separate parades of their supporters to the church as Mayor. John arrived first, took up position in the Mayor's chair and (after the service started?) Samuel's entourage arrived and Samuel (to quote Foote) " .. ordered his servants, to dethrone Mr. Mayor, which orders were executed": Sir John was removed and the Captain solemnly installed. Further according to Foote, Sir John "... had prudence enough to stifle his resentment and, considering that it was neither a time nor place for wrangleing, sat very contentedly, in an humble place".

Neil