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Sussex / Re: Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Thursday 25 August 16 12:30 BST (UK) »
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Sussex / Re: Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Wednesday 24 August 16 14:48 BST (UK) »
Thank you John for the link to Anthony Camp's article on marriage licences. It reveals why both of these marriages: Sarah Muddle to William Hider and Joseph Hyder to Mary Ralph may have required licences.
There were two periods where banns were not read: Advent (30 Nov to 13 Jan) and Lent (specifically the 3rd Sunday before Lent to the first Sunday after Easter.) However as the article outlines: "If good cause could be shown, however, a license to marry in one of these periods might be issued."
Joseph Hyder and Mary Ralph marry on 13 Jan 1730 and William Hider and Sarah Muddle marry on 13 April 1729 just four days before Easter Sunday in that year.
There were two periods where banns were not read: Advent (30 Nov to 13 Jan) and Lent (specifically the 3rd Sunday before Lent to the first Sunday after Easter.) However as the article outlines: "If good cause could be shown, however, a license to marry in one of these periods might be issued."
Joseph Hyder and Mary Ralph marry on 13 Jan 1730 and William Hider and Sarah Muddle marry on 13 April 1729 just four days before Easter Sunday in that year.
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Sussex / Re: Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Tuesday 23 August 16 13:43 BST (UK) »
Sean - I take your point about late baptisms. I had a number of ancestors all baptised on the same day and of varying ages. But all of the other children in Thomas Muddle's family seem to have been baptised in a timely manner at a young age. Could you please give me a link to finding the Poor Law Records? The more Muddle sources the better!
John - that link to the will is jaw dropping. Wonders of modern technology and the Family Search Website!
I am busy learning about marriage licences: gather that the fact a licence was issued didn't mean a marriage took place. But what's the bond? And the record I found on FS (on page 55) of the Withyam Register (Film # 004426931) is that not necessarily the marriage of William and Sarah in 1729?
I think some of these original records haven't been indexed and looking at them you can see what a task that would be, especially as some records barely legible.
John - that link to the will is jaw dropping. Wonders of modern technology and the Family Search Website!
I am busy learning about marriage licences: gather that the fact a licence was issued didn't mean a marriage took place. But what's the bond? And the record I found on FS (on page 55) of the Withyam Register (Film # 004426931) is that not necessarily the marriage of William and Sarah in 1729?
I think some of these original records haven't been indexed and looking at them you can see what a task that would be, especially as some records barely legible.
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Sussex / Re: Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Monday 22 August 16 17:33 BST (UK) »
I have truly found some most fanciful trees online: a second marriage whilst first husband still alive, sudden uprooting of fictional children to far flung countries etc etc.
With regard to the will for Thomas Muddle that was proved in 1756, it would appear from the muddle families.info website that Thomas bequeathed money to his wife Mary, his son Edward, his daughter Ann who was the wife of William Foreman, his daughter Elizabeth, his son Nicholas and to his daughter Sarah. In addition to leaving his son Thomas the residue of his personal estate.
I think I will write to Derek Miller, the author of this website, to see if he has any idea who the Sarah who marries in 1729 might be, although the website makes no mention of her.
Cheers
Mumfy
With regard to the will for Thomas Muddle that was proved in 1756, it would appear from the muddle families.info website that Thomas bequeathed money to his wife Mary, his son Edward, his daughter Ann who was the wife of William Foreman, his daughter Elizabeth, his son Nicholas and to his daughter Sarah. In addition to leaving his son Thomas the residue of his personal estate.
I think I will write to Derek Miller, the author of this website, to see if he has any idea who the Sarah who marries in 1729 might be, although the website makes no mention of her.
Cheers
Mumfy
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Sussex / Re: Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Monday 22 August 16 12:57 BST (UK) »
Several thank you's! John - after initial problems I gained access to the microfilmed copy of the Withyam registers; wonderful to see the original document online. I probably need to do the same detailed search on the Rotherfield registers.
Artifis - thank you for taking the time to do the searches and for your valuable suggestion that one of the couple might have been a minor. I'll keep in mind the Sarah from Kent.
Little Nell - thanks for the Muddle family website which is truly wonderful.
Sarah Muddle, daughter of Thomas the clockmaker, who inherits ten pounds from his will, is I'm sure the 'second' Sarah who is baptised in 1718 and still single at the time of his death. She can't have married in 1729 and I can't see that there would have been a late baptism when all her siblings appear to have been baptised not long after birth.
The website http://theweald.org doesn't attribute any parentage to the Sarah Muddle who marries William Hider.
However, the Family Search website has trees that attribute Sarah Hider (née Muddle) to the clockmaking family, as do several trees on Ancestry. On the latter this Sarah is sometimes referred to as 'Sarah Elizabeth' but no source documents are noted. I suppose it is possible there were two children named Sarah...
I'm left wondering if there are clues in the names of William and Sarah's children: their first three children are named Sarah and Edward and Mary.
Also wondering if a marriage by licence would have determined the church? A Joseph Hyder (sic) and Mary Ralph, both of Rotherfield, are married in Withyam by licence on 13 Jan 1730. Perhaps once again a minor involved in the marriage?
Cheers
Mumfy
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Sussex / Re: Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Sunday 21 August 16 09:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you BumbleB and John for your incredibly prompt replies and useful information.
Are the Withyam records only available by visiting the local records office?
Cheers
Mumfy
Are the Withyam records only available by visiting the local records office?
Cheers
Mumfy
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Sussex / Muddle over Muddle Ancestry in early 1700's
« on: Sunday 21 August 16 06:30 BST (UK) »
I am interested in the Sarah Muddle who marries William Hider in 1729 in St Michael's Church in Withyam.
I have been unable to find any record of her birth and there seems to be much confusion between this Sarah Muddle and another Sarah who is baptised in 1718. (The latter would appear to be the daughter of the clockmaker Thomas Muddle and his wife Mary.)
But records for the Sarah who marries in 1729 are proving hard to find.
Does anyone know what records are available for Withyam?
Cheers
Mumfy
I have been unable to find any record of her birth and there seems to be much confusion between this Sarah Muddle and another Sarah who is baptised in 1718. (The latter would appear to be the daughter of the clockmaker Thomas Muddle and his wife Mary.)
But records for the Sarah who marries in 1729 are proving hard to find.
Does anyone know what records are available for Withyam?
Cheers
Mumfy
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US Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Mrs Matson, Richmond Valley, Stratton Island in 1928
« on: Thursday 20 September 12 17:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the link. I just tried to find Richmond Valley on a google map and now have a vague idea where it is in relation to other places nearby, eg Pleasant Plains. This might help! Am on a learning curve in how to work with the US Census records which is something new to me.
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US Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Mrs Matson, Richmond Valley, Stratton Island in 1928
« on: Thursday 20 September 12 16:04 BST (UK) »
I'm not very familiar with the US Census records having only just started to look at them. Can someone please tell me if it's possible to find the records for Richmond Valley on Staten Island in say 1930 and then wander up and down the streets? (I've done this before with UK records, where it's possible to search by address, or when it's been hard to find someone for whom the entry has been mis-transcribed or missed out altogether.
Cheers
Mumfy
Cheers
Mumfy