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South Africa / Re: Wallis SHORT
« on: Friday 27 July 12 11:30 BST (UK)  »
Jeannie Molison was my great grand aunt. What would you like to know?  I have a fair bit of info. 

Michael.   Brisbane .. Australia

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The Common Room / Re: June 2005 Challenge – Robertsons. Anyone still interested??
« on: Saturday 24 March 12 07:01 GMT (UK)  »
Nicknock,

very interested in furthering Charles MacRae Robertson et el.

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Have sorted a lot of stuff in this area in last 3-4 months after a 7 year hiatus.

Joffy





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The Common Room / Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« on: Sunday 13 September 09 13:33 BST (UK)  »
Yep.  It was Malcolm.  Deb, the Shores, Bormans and Rhodes (Molison) had a reunion in Auckland in 2005.  Looking to have another one.  The Dunbar captains stick together even 150 years later.

Look at the following from Michael Borman to me last week!



 


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From: Michael (Mike) Borman
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2009 9:10 PM
To: Michael Rhodes
Subject: Re: Norsewood 2-21 January 2010

 

Good to hear from you Michael and thanks for the kind invitation to join you at Norsewood which we would love to take you up on.  There are a couple of issues which have contrived to make our future movements rather uncertain and we are at present somewhat unsure whether or not we shall be able to make it to NZ at all this year.  However, we shall certainly be in touch as soon as we know what's happening.

 

You may remember that I wrote earlier in the year (or was it last year) saying that I had been afflicted by this ailment which you diagnosed as Ross River disease. Disappointingly, this turned out to be rather a savage attack of arthritis in the hip and spine and, I suspect among other sites as well.  However the first has now been dealt with and I am now in recovery from a total new hip, which will probably be sufficient to see me out.  The spine business is under review and I am awaiting the outcome of an MRI scan to determine the next move... there is a 95% bet that this will not need surgical intervention, and I am very hopeful that we will be able to fly off by mid-November instead of our usual mid-October departure, and continue with any treatment in NZ.

 

You will be interested to know that the delay is only in part due to the medics and is primarily because the unit historian of Strachan's old AOP unit, which is still flying, presently in Helmand Province, has arranged a memorial visit to France, Holland and Germany, during which 30 odd members of the unit will go to Caen initially and visit each cemetery in which former members of the unit are interred following the advance through France, Belgium and Holland from Normandy to the Rhine crossings.  Their journey will end at Reichswald Forest War Cemetery with a short ceremony and squadron fly-past at Strachan's graveside on November 11th, which is Remembrance Day in GB.  Carol and I will be attending this last ceremony as representatives of Strachan's family.  The plan is for this to be held at 1100, a significant time representing the date/time 1100/11/11 or 'Poppy Day'.

 

It's been a strange year with my normal range of activities suddenly curtailed.  I thought for a few months that, failing any positive diagnosis from the medics in NZ, I could push my way through the pain it but it became so intolerable that I was pretty well chair-bound in the end.  Anyway I was fortunate, living where we do, that once I had received a positive diagnosis, the operation followed quite quickly and I am now in the situation where the back originating pain is worse than the hip.

wILLIAM sTRACHAN mOLISON- one of only 44 awarded the DFC and Bar.  2 under the VC.  A wonderfully brave man.

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The Common Room / Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« on: Sunday 13 September 09 00:50 BST (UK)  »
I am a direct descendant of James Molison, the man who blew up Bridge Street in Sydney.  He and Alexander Strachan Molison were brothers.  James Molison was my g-g-grandfather.  I am also related directly to Duncan Dunbar, and as a consequence directly or through marriage to the Shores, Tathams, Forsyths, Browns, von und zu Gilsas and Massons, and numerous others.

Below are my notes of Duncan Dunbar Tatham

IS DESCRIBED IN THE TATHAM FAMILY TREE FROM 1856 AS 'NOW OF GEELONG.' VICTORIA.

 "Times" citation, dated Friday, Jul 19, 1844 is of interest. The Thames Police arrested two "dissolute-looking young men",  and  Mr D. Tatham, of Newby Place, Poplar, clerk to Dunbar and Sons was called to give evidence on oath. This case involved Tatham in a personal way and I will send the full transcription in another post

"The Times", Friday, July 19, 1844:
Category: Law
"THAMES POLICE- Two dissolute-looking young men, named John Cowhurst and Henry Burrell, were charged with endeavouring to extort money under the following circumstances:-
Mr D. Tatham, of Newby-place, Poplar, clerk to Dunbar and Sons, stated, that on the previous evening he was walking with a young lady down Copperas-wall, Poplar, and they were followed by some men and boys, the two prisoners being of the party. When they got further on they sat on a bank to rest, and the lady, suffering from a head-ache, took off her bonnet. Hearing a noise behind, complainant turned round and saw the prisoners and four others, who threatened him with exposure if he did not give them money for beer. Being conscious that they could not say anything of which he needed to be afraid or ashamed, he walked away with his companion, and steadily refused to comply with their request. Still, however, they pursued, and threatened to follow him all the way home. As they went along he met with a constable, and the prisoners were taken into custody.
   The prisoners insisted that they caught the lady and gentleman in a very indecent position, the latter having her bonnet and shawl off. They threatened to give them into custody for indecent exposure, and followed them for that purpose, but the complainant meeting a constable preferred the first charge. They denied that any threats had been used for the purpose of extorting money, but Burrell admitted having heard some mention of beer.
  Mr Tatham solemnly asserted on his oath that no indecent liberties had been taken, and that the lady who accompanied him was most respectable.
   The prisoners were ordered to put in bail for their good behaviour."


SOME NOTES FROM MALCOLM ELMSLIE THROW SOME LIGHT ON THIS GUY.
ON 17 MAY 1845 HE WENT AS A MIDSHIPMAN ON THE SEA PARK TO HONG KONG, AND WAS INTRODUCED TO JARDINE MATHIESON & CO AS DUNCAN DUNBAR'S NEPHEW. HE WAS THEN 21 OR SO.  ON 24 APRIL 1847 'DUNCAN DUNBAR WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT DDT HAD DRAWN TWO BILLS OF EXCHANGE ON DUNBAR IN FAVOUR OF JARDINE MATHIESON & CO WHICH WERE BEING PRESENTED FOR PAYMENT.  DDT HAD NO AUTHORITY TO DO SO.'

John Dunbar left him 500 pounds under his will in 1845 to be paid when Duncan attained 21 years.

DUNCAN DUNBAR LEFT A TRUST FUND FOR THE CHILDREN in his will dated 1862, AND UNDERSTANDABLY BY-PASSED DDT.  WHAT HAPPENED TO DDT IS NOT KNOWN.  HE APPEARS TO HAVE DESERTED HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN AND NOT RETURNED TO ENGLAND TO FACE THE MUSIC.


This entry is a little puzzling from IGI.  No doubt the right parents, the date is the puzzle.

Justina <Tatham> 
  Christening:  08 JUL 1862   St Mary'S, Walthamstow, Essex, England
Parents:
  Father:  Duncan Dunbar Tatham  Family

Regards

Joffy

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