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Dunbartonshire / Re: Mealyea and Cuthbertson & the mysterious Vaudeville entertainer
« on: Friday 18 September 09 18:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi Helen,

I did get the info, thanks for that, some great research!

On both my Gran's and her sister's birth cert it says illegitimate, but if unmarried, the father has to be present at the time of registration in order to enter their name. Alexander would have been in the states while G Gran was still pregnant.

Cheers,

Pam

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Mealyea and Cuthbertson & the mysterious Vaudeville entertainer
« on: Tuesday 15 September 09 23:37 BST (UK)  »
I am just totally blown away by this obit he sounds like quite a man, it just makes the whole thing so much more intriguing...

I'd love to see a pic of Alexander would you be able to post it?

I believe that Alexander has to be my g grandfather it would be impossible to have 2 vaudeville entertainers with the name of Cuthbertson hailing from Duntocher....with the added connection of the shop and of course the dates my gran and her sister were born.
 
It's funny when we were kids and acting in a melodramatic way...as wee kids do...my mum would say oh that's the vaudeville entertainer in you...

I can't believe I have found this info out, I actually though...what the heck, I might as well post a message on this forum...I didn't really expect to find out. Thank you so much, I can't wait to show my mum this.

I'm really quite stunned, do you have any info about his parents?

Thank you so much again, this has really made my week  :D

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Mealyea and Cuthbertson & the mysterious Vaudeville entertainer
« on: Tuesday 15 September 09 19:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi Helen,

just thinking, you said Alexander was married twice, did he have any children from his first marriage, did he marry in Scotland or USA.

Also what was it he actually did as an entertainer?

Thanks again,

Pam

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Mealyea and Cuthbertson & the mysterious Vaudeville entertainer
« on: Tuesday 15 September 09 19:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi Helen,

I spoke to my mum today, the dates and the sweetie shop connection definately tie up. I had actually seen Alexander on the Ellis island records but the occupation of 'pattern maker' threw me. Mind you I had no idea how a vaudeville entertainer would describe himself on the immigration records. But there were plenty of pattern makers either in Singers or in John Brown's and it was one of the more skilled jobs.

I had actually looked at the family on the 1901 census, and looking at the entry again it says Bridget was a shopkeeper, which I didn't notice first time round. My mum is going to take a visit to the family history centre in Clydebank and see if she can find out anything else. I would love to see any info you have, especially a picture.

Okay I will never know for sure if Alexander is my g grandfather, but everything seems to tie up. I was really downheartened as I've managed to trace back all the other strands of my family tree, and this was the 'missing link'.

It just makes you wonder what happened between my g gran and Alexander, apparently she was a very strong willed lady!! Also my mum said she did not want to leave Duntocher to go America. You would have thought though that the families may have pressed them to get married? Ultimately she married Paddy Duffy (her step brother and widower) when she was 36 - it was not a happy union let's say.

Please get in touch I'd love to hear more about Alexander.

Pam

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Mealyea and Cuthbertson & the mysterious Vaudeville entertainer
« on: Tuesday 15 September 09 07:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Helen,

thanks for replying, I was very excited to read your message!!

My Gran was born April 29th 1913 and Annie Elizabeth was born in 1909 - May again I think, I don't have the birth line to hand.

The story goes that the mysterious Mr Cuthbertson did go to America and then indeed made a return trip.

Also the sweetie shop would tie in with the story....can't wait to tell my mum.

Do you think the dates are right?

Regards

Pam

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Duntocher - Duffy, Gill, McMurray,McDade and more
« on: Sunday 06 September 09 23:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi there I have made another forum topic for the Mealyea / Cuthbertson, not wanting to hyjack this thread.  Please have a look http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404824.0.html

I have come across your Mealyea roots on the census, but I don't think they are connected but they could be.

If you can help at all with the Cuthbertsons from Duntocher then please reply on the new thread.

Thanks

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Dunbartonshire / Mealyea and Cuthbertson & the mysterious Vaudeville entertainer
« on: Sunday 06 September 09 22:57 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to find out more information about the Mealyea's of Old Kirkpatrick and the Cuthbertson's from Duntocher.

I've been researching my family tree for a number of years now and have now come to a complete dead end on my mothers maternal side.

I have just found out that my gran Mary Helen (Mamie) Mealyea b 1913 (who married Paddy McCool) and her sister Elizabeth Annie (Lizzie) Mealyea b 1909 (married William Gill) where illigitimate. Their mother was Annie Mealyea b 1889 in Ireland. She later married Paddy Duffy - details on other post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,331261.0.html

I believe they stayed in 7, 20 and 35 Veitch's Court in Old Kilpatrick from around 1909 to 1924 at least.

So my reasearch really ends there, which is very dissapointing, unless of course there is someone out there that can help me. Any information that could help me would be greatfully received.

The only info I have on the person that could be my gran's dad is that he his name was Cuthbertson. The story all seems a bit far fetched but my mother believes that Cutheberson was from Duntocher and she thinks that his family were quite comfortable (in relative terms) as they may have owned a shop / grocers perhaps in Clydebank.

The interesting bit is that apparently Cuthbertson left Duntocher to work in America in Vaudeville shows. I don't know if this meant he was a performer or a writer, but the rumour has it that he would write to my great granny requesting that she send Harry Lauder songs for his shows.

If true, it must have been quite a scandal as the family was staunchly catholic and having 2 illigitimate children with a Vaudeville entertainer was not really the done thing.

Hope someone out there can help.

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Dunbartonshire / Re: Duntocher - Duffy, Gill, McMurray,McDade and more
« on: Friday 04 September 09 02:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

I have Gill and Duffy, McMurray and McDade in my family tree on my maternal line, mostly connected through 2nd marriages. A bit of a tangled web lets say...

Edward Duffy married to Catherine McDade - don't know dates sorry - they had son -

Edward Duffy born in 1866 in Dalry Ayrshire he was married in 1885 to
Annie McMurray born in 1867 in Maryhill died 1899 in Duntocher.

Edward Duffy had 5 children with Annie. Edward then married my GG granny Elizabeth McQuade  in 1903 in Alexandria.

Edwards's children were:
Maggie b 1886,
Thomas b 1889,
Patrick b, 1890
William b 1893 and
James b 1895

My GG gran had 2 children by 1st husband - Mary Mealyea and Annie Mealyea - My G gran (who I shall come back to)

My William Duffy then married Mary Martin, don't know the dates

My family's connection with the Duffys continues...

My G gran, Annie actually married Patrick Duffy (her step brother), Again it was a 2nd marriage for both. Patrick had 4 kids - Edward, Nancy, Patricia and Thomas.

My G Gran had 2 daughters, Elizabeth Annie Mealyea, my g aunt and Mary Helen Mealyea - my gran.

Elizabeth Annie married a William Gill in 1929, they had 5 kids, but not the names you mention they were:
Maria, Wilihmena, George, Edwin and Euphemia.

Apparently Elizabeth Annie left her kids and William Gill ..all quite scandalous.

I don't know if any of the above ties in with your research, but there do seem to be a few common links.

I am trying to tract down the Cuthbertsons for Duntocher / Old Kilpatrick, it is the only part of my tree that I can progress.

Good luck and get in touch if you want more details.

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