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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Thursday 10 May 12 10:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that. I spent a day in the library at Retford trying to find the origin of his obituary but never thought about the museum (I didn't actually know there was a museum). I was also trying to find out where William Martin is buried.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Friday 04 November 11 19:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again
I don't have anything on William Ward or his sons/daughters.
However I know that William's wife Ann (Ward - I didn't know that was her maiden name before Sheila's input) came from Gringley on the Hill, quite near to Retford where they settled.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Thursday 03 November 11 22:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Jim was only there to provide instruction in cricket to the Eden's

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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Thursday 03 November 11 20:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
No William didn't get a medal for Trafalgar. He got the Naval General Service medal with 2 bars, for the taking of St. Sebastian, and for a battle off Egypt. This also backs up him being on Swiftsure which was on the periphery of the battle at Trafalgar.
And yes the upper classes got in lower orders like Jim to do the fast bowling. Far too undignified for them!

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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Thursday 03 November 11 19:22 GMT (UK)  »
Re Jim Martin’s cricketing career, I have this account from a relative of mine.
“It is said by the family he played ‘gentlemen's' cricket.  The rich apparently thought it undignified to bowl and so they would recruit people from the ‘lower classes’ to do this for them.  I heard stories when I was growing up of great grandad Jim dining with Lord Fitzherbert and Earl somebody else so it rings true.  This also continued of course when he tutored Sir Anthony and Timothy Eden when they were children.  He dined with Sir William Eden and is mentioned in one book by Sir William as the ‘mad-headed cricketer’.”
I also have the book mentioned (Tribulations of a Baronet) and it is signed by Sir Timothy Eden with a comment addressed to Jim along the lines of “in remembrance of old cricketing days”
Jim also played minor counties cricket for Durham and eventually ended up as groundsman for Bishop Auckland.
Here are a couple of links to games that Jim played in
http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/86/86551.html
http://www.cricketarchive.com/Worcestershire/Scorecards/86/86567.html
His obituary also mentions that he played cricket at Nottingham and eventually fro Bishop Auckland

Re William Martin (a Royal Marine) and Trafalgar, the following is part of his obituary
“On the 25th March, 1803 he again embarked on board the Royal Sovereign and proceeded to Plymouth to join the Channel Fleet, under Lord Howe. Coming home again in 1804, he was paid off but immediately entered again and sailed for Cadiz, but after cruising about for some time they again returned to England to refit, and on the 23rd. of September again set out for Cadiz to rejoin the fleet under the command of the immortal Nelson, and on the 21st. of October 1805, he was at the Glorious Victory of Trafalgar. The Royal Sovereign, on board of which was Martin, was mismasted in about 20 minutes, but continue to pour in her broad sides until the victory was fairly decided.”
However my research suggests that he was a probably on HMS Swiftsure, not Royal Sovereign.

Re Ward Martin – sorry no idea. Bizarrely Jim Martin’s name on his wedding certificate is given as Jim Lucknow Martin. So perhaps their parents John and Emma liked to give their children strange names!
Hope that helps!

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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Thursday 03 September 09 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Jim Martin was my great grandfather (my grandmothers father), although I have his birthdate as 16.11.1861
Are you connected to the Martin's or were you just helping someone with their research?
(RootsChat post Sunday 06 May 07 17:14)

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Nottinghamshire / Re: william ward martin (east retford)
« on: Thursday 03 September 09 19:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Jim Martin, the cricketer, was my great grandfather (my grandmothers father). I have a walking stick and a book that belonged to him. I'm trying to find out about his grandfather, William, as I have a copy of his obituary that states he was at Trafalgar.
Any information on the Martin's of that time would be very interesting.

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