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Cumberland Lookup Requests / Westward Parish Registers BELL & PEARSON
« on: Thursday 19 May 11 10:45 BST (UK)  »
Could anyone advise please ?   The IGI suggests that James Bell married Mary Pearson on 1/11/1784, at Westward .James was born c1759 at Wisey, Mary c 1763 at Westward.One daughter Elizabeth born 21/5/1788. The 3 IGI entries are LDS contributions, not extracts from OPRs, but the info 'feels' right. Can anyone confirm please, and even better, add anything ?   
If correct, then there is a link to Crossmichael, Scotland, where MIs, etc, give following: Jas Bell died 10.3.1833, aged 76,w Mary Pearson d 20.11.1841 78 (born England in 41 census) d Elizabeth d 1815, aged 27 (fits with above) Margaret Bell (w of Sam Conchar) d 1832 aged 47,Jas Conchar gs d 1823 8y, and John (son of Jas & Mary)died 8.1.1864,aged 72 (born England in census returns)  Both James and son John were  corn millers and Jas was paying horse tax in Crossmichael by late 1790s (Scotlandsplaces)Thanks

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Stirlingshire / Airth Monumental Inscriptions
« on: Saturday 19 September 09 16:48 BST (UK)  »
Hello. I've just stumbled across all the ''local '' knowledge  on Rootschat  about Airth families. As I live  several hundred miles away, please advise me about  whereabouts of/access to (Mitchell's? ) index of monumental inscriptions. ( The most obvious link is momento-mori, but its broken)
I already have all the print outs of OPR births & marriages for the Welsh/Welch, Gilchrist & Bowie families (from Scotlandspeople) and the Airth Parish Burials Pre 1855 (Central Scotland FHS) & census returns.
At the moment I'm wondering whether there is a MI for Robert Bowie(tailor) -aged 79 who was buried on 30 aug 1854 and his wife Margaret Welsh -aged  63 who was buried on 23 April 1854. They had married in 1833, and as far as I can make out , it was probably a second marriage for them both.  I'm looking for a confirmation of a stated link(in 1860) between a Helen Bowie & McFadyen family in Glasgow and Airth families,and think perhaps Helen may have been Robert's daughter by  ?first marriage. Gaps in records, of course!. All advice welcome. S

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Tuesday 08 September 09 19:12 BST (UK)  »
I've finally found those papers. John Bell, wife of the other Elizabeth McGeorge of Urr, appears in ''Account of Charge & Discharge:James Lidderdale, Writer, Castle Douglas with Mr Maxwell of Orchardton''. (http://www.buittle.org.uk) The accounts mention John Bell, tenant of Potterland Mill several times. Years mentioned, 1855,1856.
S.

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Thursday 03 September 09 20:34 BST (UK)  »
Thankyou Kay for both those points. I do have Vols 1 (since yesterday) ,2,3 and 5 of MIs, but I'd rather be told than miss out . I've also got Wm Rafferty's will, but it doesn't shed any light on any possible stepchildren, such as Willy, Jane. As William's first wife died in 1837,and Agnes appears with him in 1841,  Agnes too had time to have other children, after the 1820 baby (don't know what happened to him) (Or a 3rd woman, neither Agnes nor Elizabeth McG ? ) And that would mean Jane was living with her grandmother in 41. But no records for this either. And it would suggest a failed relationship (in small community) or divorce, which seems hardly likely in those times.  Jane's children were called Margaret Grant, Janet, Agnes Jane & Annie. No ''Elizabeth'' (but I need to check infant deaths between censuses)
Have you come across the accounts which show rent owing/jobs/repairs at Potterland Mill, concerning John Bell Miller( wife Elizabeth McGeorge) in 1850 ?
Can't lay my hand on the papers right this second.!
Really grateful for this input. Cheers.

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Wednesday 02 September 09 18:33 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both, Anne & Kay. I've got to go out in a short while, so I'll just stick to the Wilhelmina question for now. The 41 census had one Jane bell of right age in Crossmichael (my Jane gave this as birthplace in 51,61 &71) 3 other young adults, Robert,John & Wilhelmina (1826), also working away from home (separately)in Crossmichael.Siblings?
1851. Willie Bell,(1826)living Balmaghie with McMegn family, Dairymaid b Crossmichael.(couldn't find her for long time.Eventually'' Willie+1826+Scotland ''flushed her out)
1850  OPR Kirkbean Thomas Toolin (many different spellings!)of this parish & Jane Bell of Castle Douglas proclaimed for 3rd and last time (June 30)   Actually married ''July 5th 1851'' (sic. mistake ? ) 1850 in Castle Douglas (Info in birth certs of children 1868,1870)
1850  John Tollin son of Thomas Tollin & Jane Bell Castle Douglas  b 5/12, bap 11/12 (OPR Kelton)
1851 Jane Towland(head) living Castle Douglas with John 4 mths. No sign of Thomas.b ?? of Kirkend, Crossmichael
1855(9/12) Willy Bell m John Barnes-both of full age. Barton upon Irwell, Parish church of Eccles. John Widower, Willy spinster, both living PendleburyWillie's father, John Bell, Miller
1861 Pendlebury/Eccles. John 41, Wilhelmina 38 James 1? John 2 b Pendlebury
1864 Nov  . Toolans still living Scotland (Campsie)  In Nov 2nd child William (b 53)  died from lacerated arm (he worked in printworks) and 7th child born, within days. Child named William Bell Barnes Toolan
1865   Willie Barnes m Robert Worsley (widow & batchelor) He was drayman, she publican. Willie's father ''John Bell, Miller) St John's Church
1871Willie & Robert living in Bolton Rd, Pendlebury with her 2 sons(& his niece)
1881.Willie & Robert living  88 North Road, Pendlebury.Toolans living 2 doors away.
I do not know for sure that Willie is Jane's sister. Evidence circumstantial ! Robert(41 Crossmichael ) one of the 4 young adults turned out to be son of William & Jane (nee Johnstone), and as they were of an age to have kids flown the nest, they were my prime candidates for some time. Willie & Jane could also be life long friends ??
Connection John Bell  the Miller & Elizabeth McGeorge ??  MI & census. 'My ' Jane in 41 was living with Margaret Brolochan who was mother of Agnes. John Bell of Crossmichael Miln & Agnes had baby John 1820 (OpR) John's sister(MI) died at Crossmichael Miln, in 1815, so presumably their address before Potterland.
Must go.

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Tuesday 01 September 09 12:10 BST (UK)  »
Very many thanks, Anne.  It all makes very interesting reading.  I  didn't mention , but you may already know, that the John McGeorge who married Agnes Seaton has a memorial (202) in Urr next to your John McGeorge(204) who married Jane Baxter. With Jane Baxter living to age of 101 & 8months, no doubt she had some tales to tell.
Regards S

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: MCGEORGE family
« on: Monday 31 August 09 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello, I've found the McGeorge information fascinating but confusing ! There seem to have been (at least)2 Elizabeth Mcgeorges in Urr at same time.One was daughter of Thomas & Jean Nicholson (IGI, C118842)As far as I can see, she married John Bell, Miller,in Nov 1831. The other(much mentoned) married James Murrey in March 1832 .
John Bell the miller (1792-1864) died at Springholm & was remembered on MI in Crossmichael (with parents), and his wife Elizabeth McGeorge (1807-1893) died in Wigan, having lived with her single son William(a draper) and then daughter(census). Meanwhile, back in Urr, John McGeorge (1797-1853) died Springholm &  is remembered with his wife Agnes Seaton(d New Abbey) and children, incl,Robert Seaton McGeorge & John Seaton McG-drapers in Preston.I have yet to find out whether John & Elizabeth were siblings.
My gggm Jane Toolan, nee Bell, b Crossmichael c1829, died Pendlebury Lancs 1884,may have been John's daughter.She called one of her sons 'James seaton T'' & another William Bell Barnes T.' Barnes ' was husband of Wilhelmina, definite daugher of John the miller( m certs),  also born Crossmichael  who eventually lived next door to Jane in Pendlebury. But both Willie and my Jane were born before John's marriage with Elizabeth McGeorge. John, whilst still  at Crossmichael Mill had a son John (b 1820) with  Agnes Brolochan, (word 'lawful' ommitted from OPR) but she later (late1830s)became 2nd Mrs Rafferty in Crossmichael.
I obviously need to see Kirk Sessions, but can't visit Scotland. I've looked at original (incomplete)registers at my local LDS Family His. Centre. Any advice, please, re access to this and other types of  record?. And any knowledge of Springholm and also Auchenreoch Miln ? I can find former on OS map, but not the mill. Both feature continuously in the records I've found.    Thanks !

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