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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Monday 02 June 25 19:58 BST (UK)  »

There is something fishy going on here:

It appears that Anna Litza/Lica was married before, as her maiden name was Piorek.
Hmmm … I’m not convinced about that statement.  As far as I can see, Anna’s maiden name is always Lica (or a variation).
Maybe she’d been married to someone with the surname PIOREK? Unfortunately the missing parish books won't let me confirm that ...


Going back to Anton - he was born in 1799 in Rynkowka. Lived and died in Bukowiny and was buried in Fraca.
I thought that “your” Anton lived in Milewo (Neuenburg parish) i.e. abt 11 k’s from Bukowiny (Lalkau parish): When his kids are born in the 1840’s and 1850’s Anton lives in “Milewken” (= current town Milewo)

I am getting so much information, that I'm getting more and more confused.
My dna match, who appears to be a distant cousin, lives in Nowe, and is giving me information after getting parish records and documents from the registry office.
She is telling me that my great-grandfather, Johann Chyla, was born about 1844, and died in Milewo on 06 October 1874. He was married to Augusta Merker, who was born about 1845 and died on 09 July 1930.
As to Johann's father, my 2xgreat-grandfather, it looks as if he was born in Rynkowka in 1799, and lived and died in Bukowiny. How many names his wife had (my 2xgreat-grandmother) had - is work in progress. So far we've got Piorek, Litza, Lica - and I'm turning to drink................
When I uploaded my dna results to ancestry, the names Lica, Lauda and Balcer come back as my closest paternal matches.
As I said before, I can't thank you enough for the research you have done for me.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Sunday 01 June 25 20:59 BST (UK)  »
I’m wondering whether this is “your” Anton’s death in 1878. He is 78y old. I’m guessing that that it says that Anna Lica is his wife, but someone else will have to confirm that because as he seems to have resided in Rynkowka instead of Nowe:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HK-9?i=373 (#13)

Looking promising....................I have downloaded the certificate and sent it to my dna match lady in Poland.
The information you are finding is just amazing, and I can never thank you enough.

It just gets more complicated......................the lady has confirmed that the death certificate for Anton is correct - and she has also discovered something else.
It appears that Anna Litza/Lica was married before, as her maiden name was Piorek.

Going back to Anton - he was born in 1799 in Rynkowka. Lived and died in Bukowiny and was buried in Fraca.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Sunday 01 June 25 09:45 BST (UK)  »
I’m wondering whether this is “your” Anton’s death in 1878. He is 78y old. I’m guessing that that it says that Anna Lica is his wife, but someone else will have to confirm that because as he seems to have resided in Rynkowka instead of Nowe:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HK-9?i=373 (#13)

Looking promising....................I have downloaded the certificate and sent it to my dna match lady in Poland.
The information you are finding is just amazing, and I can never thank you enough.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Saturday 31 May 25 17:14 BST (UK)  »

As requested:
Julianne Faustina’s siblings i.e. Chyla/Poley children (there could have been more):

Franz born abt 1848 - 1848 death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9H3-G?i=199 (#33)
Francisca born abt 1849 - 1849 death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HQ-B?i=210 (last entry for 1849)
Alberth(?)  born16 April 1851 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SM-L?i=291 (#31)
Martin born 11 Nov 1857 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23ST-M?i=354 (#116, twin!)
Marc(?)ianna born 11 Nov 1857 - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23ST-M?i=354  (#117, twin!)
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Myabe: Marianna born 9 dec 1843 (parents: Anton Chyla X Marianna Polejowska) - baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SH-9?i=226 (#89)

Goodness me, so much information to process, but still the mystery remains as to how the lady who descends from Faustyna dna matches to me.

I guess its just work (a lot of..............) in progress.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Friday 30 May 25 15:15 BST (UK)  »
I have a dna match to a lady, who thinks that our connection is through Antoni Chilla, but she has him married to Marianna Polea, and we wonder if Antoni married more than once.
Faustyna was born in 1851 in Rynkowka, Pomerania, Poland. She died on 14 December 1891, in Bakowo, Plochicin, Pomorze, Poland.

I thought I had sent you a private message, but I can't find it now (maybe too much wine  ???)
I am just back from a visit to my family in Gdansk. We also visited Milewo, Montawy, Wielki Komorsk, Nowe and Starogard.
I met the lady who dna matches with me, and we have been trying to further our research, using the information you have given. It's all quite exciting.

I haven’t received any feedback regarding the scan for Anton junior’s birth yet, but maybe I’ll review some of your data first.

Faustyna’s age is indeed 40 when she dies in 1891 (i.e. born abt 1851), but it is 20 when she marries on 12 Oct 1873 (i.e. born abt 1853): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVW-W9HJ-4?i=19 (#14).
N.B. It looks as if both the bride and the groom might have been from the current hamlet “Cisowy” a stone’s throw from Rynkówka.
 
The only possibility for her birth seems to be a Julianne Faustine CHYLA born 15 Feb 1854 (NOT 1851) in Rynkówka, daughter of Anton CHYLA and Maryanna POLEY (NOT POLEA): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZ5-23SY-9?i=321  (#20)
Faustina seems to have had at least abt half a dozen siblings (there are various parish books missing!). It is interesting that when a possible sister is born in 1843, the mum has her name in a Polish version just like the family from Milewo in 1843.

It is abt a 90 minute walk from Milewo to Rynkówka/ Cisowy (and faster by horse), so “your” Anton could have had 2 families parallel to each other, but it would be more likely that there were 2 separate Antons who might have been related  …

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Sunday 18 May 25 20:48 BST (UK)  »
PS
This is probably another brother:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZQ5-LZH9?lang=en

Again, I'm not 100% convinced, but will keep it in mind.
Thank you so much for trying.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Sunday 18 May 25 20:47 BST (UK)  »
There are a few online films for the “Kościół rzymsko-katolicki. Parafja Nowe (Świecie)”

I’m wondering whether the following might be the 1843 baptism of your Johann, son of Anton “Chila” and Anna “Licowna”:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZY-S36W-8?i=458 (#55)

Thank you for the info, but I shall reserve judgement on this entry as the names of the mother doesn't look correct.
I might be wrong, and shall keep researching.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Sunday 18 May 25 11:54 BST (UK)  »
Well then, you need some more records.  It's not complicated, it's just we need to know what you have to know what to look for.  And because these will be church records, you need to know

Presumably you have some records for  Johann, else where did you get his parents' name from?

I can see a baptism (Catholic) in Nowe for probably siblings:

1847 - Caecilia Chilla parents Anton Chilla and Ann Lica
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZQP-CCWH?lang=en

1850 - Leocadia, father Anton Chylla mother listed as "Litza"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZQG-8WCQ?lang=en

Another in 1852, Marianna with parents Anton and mother "Lica"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZQP-CC71?lang=en

You would need to go through the LDS to get the original images.

Wow ! Those possibilities are definitely worth researching further.

As to my great-grandfather, Johann Chilla. I have his death certificate for 06 October 1874, in Milewo.
I also have his marriage certificate for 30 October 1864 to Augusta Merker. My grandfather, Franciszek Chilla was born two months later  ::) in Milewo.

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Europe / Re: Possible second marriage - brick wall
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 20:02 BST (UK)  »
What records do you/her have currently? Birth, marriage, death for each of the possible children?

What religion did this family follow?

I don't personally have any records, perhaps the lady to whom I have a dna match.
The family were Catholic.

I was just hoping that perhaps my great-grandfather, Johann Chilla, and this ladies ancestor, Faustyna were maybe step-brother and sister.

Maybe it's just too complicated.

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