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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with a French death record please
« on: Saturday 14 June 25 09:19 BST (UK) »
Could the last two be 'néant' and 'neveu'?
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Gloucestershire Resources / Re: Patrick Tierney - 1/28 North Gloustershire Regiment of Foot
« on: Tuesday 25 March 25 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Deb
I don't know if you're still following this thread, but I've been investigating this Patrick Tierney, too. I haven't found any evidence to say he was a soldier, but I have found numerous mentions of a convict called Patrick Tierney from Galway who arrived in Australia on the Hive.
Eddie
I don't know if you're still following this thread, but I've been investigating this Patrick Tierney, too. I haven't found any evidence to say he was a soldier, but I have found numerous mentions of a convict called Patrick Tierney from Galway who arrived in Australia on the Hive.
Eddie
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The Common Room / Re: Which given name?
« on: Saturday 15 March 25 11:56 GMT (UK) »
I think that the original and the copy were made by the churchwarden Thomas Evans. Compare his signature from the transcript with 'Thos Church' in the entry above Richard's. The slightly larger picture also shows that the reverend gentleman in the line below Richard, William Davies, is indeed the minister of the church. I suspect he's the one who added 'born and baptised on the same day' in Latin to his son's entry and added 'his wife' after 'Anne', presumably in case there was any doubt. There's not much to go on but he may also have made the alteration from 'James' to 'Richard'.
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The Common Room / Re: Which given name?
« on: Saturday 15 March 25 05:06 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I think the Richard you found is more likely to be the one baptised in Eastington in May 1769. After all, there's no evidence that my Richard was born in Eastington - the census just says Gloucestershire. It was just that the dates seemed to fit.
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The Common Room / Re: Which given name?
« on: Friday 14 March 25 10:50 GMT (UK) »
I think you're right, Andrew. Some of the letters in 'Richard' are quite different to others on the page: the h and d in particular. I've attached another 'Richard' from a later page for comparison. Also, 'Richard' seems to be not quite on the same line as the following words and there's a suspicious smudgy area around the name.
However, the 'Richard' document is the original and 'James' is the copy. This means that 'James' was put on the original first, which was then copied and sent off, and 'Richard' was a later correction.
So, this could still be the Richard I'm looking for (although maddys52's earlier caveat is noted).
However, the 'Richard' document is the original and 'James' is the copy. This means that 'James' was put on the original first, which was then copied and sent off, and 'Richard' was a later correction.
So, this could still be the Richard I'm looking for (although maddys52's earlier caveat is noted).
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The Common Room / Re: Which given name?
« on: Friday 14 March 25 07:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to all for your contributions. I was especially interested in the will (thanks, jonwarm) which possibly gives Richard a job in Wanstead, where three of his children were born. Richard is described as a coachman in 1812 and 1816, so that could fit.
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The Common Room / Re: Which given name?
« on: Thursday 13 March 25 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Not sure, but it's an interesting tip for me to follow up
Eddie
Eddie
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The Common Room / Re: Which given name?
« on: Thursday 13 March 25 05:13 GMT (UK) »
I'm not too sure either. And I realise I've made a mistake in my original post - it was John Clutterbuck who married Mary Woodward in Frampton on Severn in 1762. These are the people I suspect may be the parents of 'my' Richard. Sorry about that.
The trail for the Richard I'm interested in starts in Stepney, London, in the 1851 and 1841 censuses. His place of birth is given as Gloucestershire - no town mentioned, annoyingly. From the 1851 census I calculated his dob as 1771. Also, I found a Richard Clutterbuck who died in the Stepney workhouse in March 1857 at age 89, so I figure that could well be him. I looked for a Richard C in Gloucestershire born around 1770 and found one baptised in Eastington in May 1769 (the one noted above) which fits quite neatly with the death in March 1857. However, I see that your Richard fits too.
John and Mary had five children, all baptised in Eastington at 2 year intervals.
I agree that James's record is from the bishop's transcript, but I'm more inclined to believe the parish register for the name of the boy baptised on the 18th May.
The trail for the Richard I'm interested in starts in Stepney, London, in the 1851 and 1841 censuses. His place of birth is given as Gloucestershire - no town mentioned, annoyingly. From the 1851 census I calculated his dob as 1771. Also, I found a Richard Clutterbuck who died in the Stepney workhouse in March 1857 at age 89, so I figure that could well be him. I looked for a Richard C in Gloucestershire born around 1770 and found one baptised in Eastington in May 1769 (the one noted above) which fits quite neatly with the death in March 1857. However, I see that your Richard fits too.
John and Mary had five children, all baptised in Eastington at 2 year intervals.
I agree that James's record is from the bishop's transcript, but I'm more inclined to believe the parish register for the name of the boy baptised on the 18th May.
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The Common Room / Which given name?
« on: Thursday 13 March 25 02:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi all
I've been tracing a Clutterbuck family and I've got back as far as a Richard Clutterbuck who married Mary Woodward in Frampton on Severn in 1762. While looking around for Richard's parents, I came across a Richard Clutterbuck baptised in Eastington, Gloucestershire, in 1769. These locations are a few miles apart but this Richard could still be a possibility, I feel. His baptism date is given as 18th May, 1869. However, there's another record written in the same hand which shows a James Clutterbuck being baptised on that date. I think that James's record is a bishop's transcript - some earlier entries are labelled as copies, they're on long, separate pieces of paper year by year, and have been folded (presumably to be sent off). Richard's record is in a bound register.
The question is, which name to believe? Is 'James' likely to be a mistranscription or a correction?
Thanks
Eddie
I've been tracing a Clutterbuck family and I've got back as far as a Richard Clutterbuck who married Mary Woodward in Frampton on Severn in 1762. While looking around for Richard's parents, I came across a Richard Clutterbuck baptised in Eastington, Gloucestershire, in 1769. These locations are a few miles apart but this Richard could still be a possibility, I feel. His baptism date is given as 18th May, 1869. However, there's another record written in the same hand which shows a James Clutterbuck being baptised on that date. I think that James's record is a bishop's transcript - some earlier entries are labelled as copies, they're on long, separate pieces of paper year by year, and have been folded (presumably to be sent off). Richard's record is in a bound register.
The question is, which name to believe? Is 'James' likely to be a mistranscription or a correction?
Thanks
Eddie