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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann WINTER - a dead end…
« on: Friday 29 October 21 14:25 BST (UK)  »
What became of the family after 1861 census in Islington?   Can't seem to find them.

Can't find marriage between Joseph Slade and Fanny/Frances Winter either so perhaps never married.

Annette

Yes, I can’t see any record of a Slade-Winter marriage either, and no luck as yet finding Mary’s parents/siblings in 1871, haven’t gone further than that yet. I thinks it’s going to be a tricky puzzle still

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann WINTER - a dead end…
« on: Friday 29 October 21 12:56 BST (UK)  »
Thanks all, greatly appreciated.

Yes, Thomas and Henry were the eldest of her six sons.

Looks like Slade is the key, now will need to unpick the changing use of surname! Lots to do… :)

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The Common Room / Mary Ann WINTER - a dead end…
« on: Friday 29 October 21 10:12 BST (UK)  »
Mary Ann Winter, one of my Great-great grandmothers, is proving a dead end for me before her marriage! I wonder if anyone has any ideas/info on what to try next to unlock beyond her?!?

Details so far:
Mary Ann Winter married Thomas Henry Barnett 22-12-1872 in Hackney, fathers name given as Joseph Winter (coke dealer).
Census returns 1881, 91, 1901, 11 give an estimated birth year of 1854 and all give Windsor, Berkshire as birthplace.

Earlier censuses don’t seem to produce any good matches in the right area, there’s a couple of births registered fairly near to Windsor in roughly the right time but further research suggests these are not ‘my’ Mary…
All suggestions gratefully received!

(I have one photo of her, attached - no one now seems to know when or where it was taken)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Missing GRO record for Henry Harris?!
« on: Monday 06 September 21 20:03 BST (UK)  »
If your Henry was born 27 August then it was 5 weeks till the end of that quarter.  If the birth was registered  the following week it would then be in the December quarter.


Makes sense! Thanks. So the record on freebmd for a Henry J in the 3rd quarter registered in Southwark would work. Will keep checking. Many thanks again debra. Have attached a pic of Henry :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Missing GRO record for Henry Harris?!
« on: Monday 06 September 21 19:44 BST (UK)  »
Charles and Susan DOSWELL also witnessed the marriage of brother Edmund HARRIS in 1884.  He thought his father was a Horse Keeper.

Debra  :)

I guess with this variety of details for the elder Henry Harris it’s not so surprising if Henry junior got his fathers name wrong on his marriage certificate, or his own birthdate wrong later in life, or indeed that Henry senior maybe didn’t register his sons birth until a few months later…!!
 It’s just worrying me a bit that there’s both the discrepancy in names and birth dates. Not sure how to work out for certain what are the correct names and dates  :-\

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Missing GRO record for Henry Harris?!
« on: Monday 06 September 21 19:32 BST (UK)  »
An example of what a twice indexed birth registration might record is:

Henry John, Father XXX ELDRIDGE, Mother XXX HARRIS

The 'old' indexes would show this twice, indexed under each surname as the mother has a different surname to the father.

The newer GRO index will only show it indexed under the surname of the father with no mother's maiden surname because they have no knowledge of whether or not the name HARRIS is her maiden surname.

If they were a married couple, or claiming to be, her name should be recorded as XXX ELDRIDGE formerly HARRIS.

Debra  :)

Thank you Debra, makes perfect sense  :) :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Missing GRO record for Henry Harris?!
« on: Monday 06 September 21 17:11 BST (UK)  »
Thanks all!!

Quite a bit to unpick there!

Comberton - new leads for me to follow, thanks. Fathers name of Henry George is different to what our Henry James has recorded on his marriage to Mary Penniket (also a Henry James) so either this is a related but different Henry Harris, or there was an error on the marriage cert.
There are several possible Henry Harris in the 1861,71,81 censuses in the right general area of London, hence thought the birth certificate would be the best way to be surest of the right family to follow.

AntonyMMM - I’ve not quite understood the full implications of your post I think! Do you essentially mean that there isn’t actually a birth record for a Henry J Harris in that quarter (because of some kind of double entry issue)? In which case I guess it’s not worth pursuing any further with the GRO. Or does the double entry issue mean that there IS a birth record/certificate for ‘my’ Henry James Harris in that quarter but that the reference for the GRO should be different?!

Thanks again all

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Family History Beginners Board / Missing GRO record for Henry Harris?!
« on: Monday 06 September 21 15:10 BST (UK)  »
Searching for definitive parental info on my 2xgreat-grandfather Henry James Harris who gave his birthday as 27 August 1866 on the 1939 register, and place of birth as Cross Street, Old Kent Road on 1911 census.

Best match on birth register (in attached image) for Henry J Harris, registered in Lambeth in third quarter 1866, Vol 1d page 396: ordered birth certificate from GRO.gov but have received refund and message “ There is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted.”

Can anyone advise why I got this response?! Does this mean the original register was wrong, or the record has gone missing, or something else?

TIA

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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: james thurston
« on: Tuesday 13 July 21 19:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi Unicorn

Also researching James - he’d be my 3x Gt Grandfather.
As you say, hard to secure details of origins. Best I’ve found is his fathers name given as James on his second marriage certificate from 1867, and there is a baptism of a James, father James mother Rosetta in 1808 in Great Baddow (if you’re not familiar, this is definitely in the right area geographically). Baptism record behind Essex PRO paywall so haven’t confirmed as yet, waiting to have the time and spare money to pay their fees for a month or so and do a bunch of lookups at once.
Hope that helps, if you’re on Ancestry you can probably find me and my tree with James’s details on there.

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