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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Mimi's Tearooms in York
« on: Friday 15 January 16 12:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, KGarrad, we know of the well known Betty's - it would have been so much easier if it had been that tearoom. But my husband is pretty confident it was Mimi's she spoke of, with a mention of Gillygate. Google Streetview shows a number of cafes & tearooms in Gillygate & one called Evie Brown's Tearooms in Bootham right opposite Gillygate. I had hoped someone local might remember one called Mimi's, even if it was at least 30 years ago. 

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Mimi's Tearooms in York
« on: Friday 15 January 16 04:57 GMT (UK)  »
Not exactly a genealogical question but related to family history as I'm trying to put together a little album about my late MIL for my husband. He recalls her talking often of a Mimi's Tearoom in York that she visited frequently in the early 1980s (around 1984?) while she was staying near York, & I had hoped to find a photo online.

But it seems Mimi's doesn't exist anymore & I can find no mention of it anywhere. I thought I could just use a photo of the building or even the street but I don't know the actual address. He thought it might be in Gillygate or close by, but can't be sure. There are any number of cafes & tearooms in Gillygate & Bootham today but the place could have become something other than an eating place, of course.

I wondered if any members remember this tearoom from the 1980s & exactly where it was situated? I'm on the other side of the world so can't just visit the street (other than on Google Streetview).

Any information would be appreciated. Thanks.   Jude

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Gloucestershire / Re: Did they marry?
« on: Thursday 31 December 15 21:48 GMT (UK)  »
Did you note that there is a James & Ann Osborne living next door to George Coole & his mother in 1841?
I also wondered about the John Hosborne living with the Cooles in 1841. Any chance that could be a different spelling for Osborne? 
In 1861 Hester Cole 49 charwoman is living at 13 Narrow Plain, St P & St J,  Clifton, Glo, with 3 of the daughters previously mentioned & 2 lodgers. She is described as a widow so I assume George Coole/Cole died between 1851 & 1861.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Lilley - Hawker
« on: Tuesday 15 December 15 03:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the reference numbers of that 1901 census I couldn't find, Ladyhawke. I have no idea how to use the numbers in FindMyPast to search but at least I could just use the street name & open at anyone who came up, then I "walked the street" till I found the right people. FindMyPast has that Lilley family transcribed as Tilley so they weren't coming up in my search.
Did the marriage record for William's son Thomas to Mary Ann show William as alive? I would suspect that the William who is a witness is the brother & that father William has died, & probably Ellen has as well. Free BMD has a good possibility in William Lilley, 47, died Shoreditch 1883, & an Ellen Lilley, 47, died Bethnal Green 1885. Perhaps someone has records for these deaths that show more details.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Lilley - Hawker
« on: Monday 14 December 15 05:40 GMT (UK)  »
I couldn't find the 1901 census with Ellen Lilley as a widow aged 64 in Mile End Old Town (on FindMyPast) but when I was trying to find the sons Thomas & William to see if there were any clues to what happened to their parents, I found a 1901 census with Thomas Lilley 43 (1858), general dealer, born Shoreditch, living at 16 Chapman Rd, West ham, Essex, living with his wife & children, & his brother William Lilley, 33 (1868), single & a lath line maker, born Shoreditch. The places of birth & the ages match well with the sons in the 1871 census with parents William & Ellen. In 1891, the brothers are living at Camden Street, Bethnal Green, both born Hackney (part of Shoreditch?), & Thomas appears fairly newly married with his wife & one baby. If these are the correct brothers, I would be considering the possibility that their parents have died since the single brother is not living with them.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Lilley - Hawker
« on: Sunday 13 December 15 06:33 GMT (UK)  »
You mentioned the 1851 census for Ellen. Have you noticed that there is a William Lilly, with wife Martha & son Samuel, living just a few buildings away? The father is a rag sorter & the mother is a china hawker. The couple can be found on subsequent censuses with a growing family. No sign of young William, however. There is no evidence that the father is or has been a mariner, but it caught my attention as the Lilly family is living so close to the Baker family in Shoreditch. Is it possible that Martha was a widow with a son (maybe your William?) so he had a different name? A William Lilly married in Shoreditch in 1845, with a possible spouse being Martha Horner Stone. There may be no connection, of course, but it may be worth pursuing. I would also try other spellings ( I think Martha is on the 1871 census as Lille).

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Australia / Re: marriage of william watson & susan/susannah c 1851
« on: Wednesday 04 November 15 04:16 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, can't report that I've found any link between Leader/Ledder/Leather & Price, or even with Holden...but I didn't really expect anything when it seems highly likely that the participants in the situation (William Watson & Susannah Price) have not been entirely truthful with facts. Perhaps the conflicts of information are just poor memory but I'm definitely leaning to the idea that Susannah Price/Tindall is the woman I'm seeking & that she & William Watson never actually married at all.

I have considered many possibilities, some reasonable & some highly fanciful (could the marriage between William Watson & Susannah Wells be the right one, but they stole the Wells ID to hide the fact that Price was already married to Tindall??? That marriage was in Avoca & Susannah Price was in Avoca at one time. I know...highly fanciful & probably not likely. I guess they just ran off together.)

Lots of Leader/Ledder/Leather names in Cheshire & Lancashire but nothing that leaps out at me. Lots of W. Holden names as well in Lancashire...but was he a lover, employer, landlord? Just can't be sure about any of them. Haven't found any baptisms for Susannah/susan in Cheshire that seem to fit, nor for possible siblings (nor in Lancashire).

But I did come across a funny police report from the Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston) Wednesday 27 February 1850, p 132 (on Trove): a Susannah Tindall was charged with drunkenness - I think!! The language is very tongue in cheek/sarcastic; the police office reporter obviously enjoys a fine turn of phrase. He reports Susannah Tindall, "lately free" (one of her lies), "allowed herself to be fettered in the bonds of hymen". Is he referring to her marriage? Or is he saying in a roundabout way that she is a prostitute?

Looking into Susannah is interesting - but so far I'm no closer to discovering whether my William Watson was a convict or not. Never mind, at least I have some material to share with relatives.
 

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Australia / Re: marriage of william watson & susan/susannah c 1851
« on: Monday 02 November 15 02:48 GMT (UK)  »
Debra, thank you very  much. You've given me food for thought. I had looked at the material on Susannah Price, convict, but hadn't noticed the Birkenhead detail (probably because I'm struggling to follow many of the details on those convict records!).
I just couldn't work out how she'd marry William Watson when there was a record of her marrying Henry Tindall. Never really occurred to me to doubt Watson & Price had married, since he gave info for certificates in NSW, when I would imagine he really didn't need to disclose much of that information at all.
I spent much of yesterday trawling records for Leader/ledder, Price & Wells (the convict who did marry a William Watson) & came up with nothing to create a decent link. However, I did discover that Wedgebury, Susannah Wells' native place, is probably Wednesbury, Staffordshire, so that answered one question I hadn't been able to answer.
Not sure what you mean about the relationship with Henry Tindall probably ending around 1850 when she was "assigned to her husband". Was she assigned to Tindall?
Thanks for the explanation about NP meaning native place in regards to family members. I had no idea what that meant, & had thought it referred to Newgate Prison. Maybe with names of brothers & sisters I can find something on the 1841 census, even though their surnames will be different.

Got lots to check out now - just what I like. Thank you so much. Hope I am able to let you know soon whether I've come up with something, especially if there is anything that helps me work out whether William Watson was a convict, &, if so, which one he was (since no one on the Tasmanian records seems to fit very well with the info I have from certificates).

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Australia / Re: marriage of william watson & susan/susannah c 1851
« on: Saturday 31 October 15 21:40 GMT (UK)  »
Debra, is that Launceston Church of England register available for viewing online? It's the sort of thing I'd be happy to trawl through to see if I could find anything on a William Watson/Susan marriage on any date at all. Are there registers available for viewing from other places near Launceston as well? I've seen the Tasmanian portal website (where I found a marriage between a William Watson & Susannah Wells - still seems a possibility, though I can't find any link between Wells, Price & Leader).
I have wondered about the reliability of William's info as there are several conflicting pieces across all certificates relevant to him & his family. But I've never doubted the marriage happened. I suppose the registrar would have known him as the man who'd registered his first wife's death, then got married the next year, then registered 2 births, as well as the first child's death, over the next couple of years, so he couldn't just pretend he was a bachelor.
At least it all seems to confirm that he spent some years in Tasmania before coming to NSW around 1860, & that could support his story of being a convict transported as a boy (haven't really proved that either since there are so many William Watsons & none have exactly matching info). Perhaps he was trying to cloud a convict background - or perhaps he just didn't remember details. Learning that he might have been illiterate also indicates that he wouldn't have been able to write details down - the registrar would have had to rely on the spoken word & things can be misheard.

I won't give up the search for him & his past, but I may take another break from him. In the meantime more records might be digitised & put online so they'll be waiting for me next time I delve into his mystery.
Thanks for your thoughts on his story. It helps to discuss him with someone else.

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