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Hello

Nice to hear from you.  It was some time ago that I posted the request for a picture of the Beltoy but never managed to find one so I would like to take up your kind offer which will help to complete my dad's service history.

If you can send me a private message with your email address I can reply with mine.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Blubelle

Hi Irishhistory

Sorry this reply is a bit belated to say the least but only just seen your post as been taking a break from family history so trying to get my head around it again.
Yes there is a definite connection as my Bates family are also in Stockport.  The story goes that the family walked from Carlisle to Stockport to find work and they can be found in Stockport in the 1891 census.
John b.1841 and family at Keen St, Portwood and Thomas b.1843 and his children Mary Ann b1877 Thomas b1878 at Hempshaw Lane which was about as close to the hatting factories as you could get.
Parents of John and Thomas were John Bates b1806/8 Ireland and Ann Gilchrist b1806/8 Ireland, with Alexander b1847 and Eleanor b1849 siblings, but that's about as far as I've got.

Happy hunting
Blubelle

Hi all

Just a few more clues for you.  I am tracing the line for Thomas Bates b.1843 Ireland who had brothers John, Alexander and sister Eleanor.  I sent for Alexander's birth cert and parents are listed as John Bates, Labourer and Ann Bates (nee Gilchrist) both born Ireland - Alexander was born 17.1.1847 at Old Whippery Lane, Rickergate.
Not sure now how to find the marriage or Thomas's birth in Ireland as no idea which part of the country they came from - any suggestions?

I also have marriage certificate for Thomas Bates to Mary Thompson 4.10.1873.  Thomas was a widower at this time so on a previous thread the name of Mary Henderson came up, so its likely this was Thomas's first wife.  Witnesses T. Hutton and Margaret McCollins (possibly Mary's sister?)
Mary and Thomas lived at Milbourne Street, Carlisle.
Mary Thompson's father was James Thompson (farmer) deceased at the time of the wedding.

BluBelle

Can anyone help me find a picture of SS Beltoy?
There are several web sites that mention it but no picture, the info I have on it is as follows.
Built by Ramage & Ferguson , Lieth Scotland in 1915 for Shamrock Shipping Co Ltd Belfast it had several name changes in
1946 to Min Jen, 1947 to Hai Nu and in 1949 to Aguadulce it was deleted from Lloyds register in 1956.

This is the last picture we need to complete a record of my father's WW2 service, although he was a gunner in the army most of his war sevice was aboard merchant ships.

There is a book called 'The Shamrock Shipping Company' which may have a picture but it appears to be out of print at the moment.

Any help much appreciated
Blubelle   

Its ok don't worry Elizabeth Dilworth married Joseph Bowers and their children were

Edith  b1887 my grandmother
Albert b.1880
Arthur b.1876 your grandfather
Henry b.1878
Joseph b.1869
Emma b.1873
Virginia b.? or Mary Jane b.1867

Hope that helps
Blubelle