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Clonbryn,

There are pedigrees for Monck-Mason in Betham Volume 18 (GO Ms 240) and in Donavan Go Ms 384 in the manuscripts section of the National Library, Dublin.  If you send me your email address (*), I will send you copies.  A word of warning - I have not uploaded the pictures yet, so I do not know what the quality will be when I do!!!

Before Robert of Masonbrook:

His father was Christopher.  Christopher, Castilian and Henry Mason were given rights over the ports of Waterford, Dungarvan and Youghall in the 1620s.  Christopher married Margaret Master or Masters in 1627.  She was daughter of Jonathan Master(s).  According to the records, he (Jonathan) was from York or from The Grange, Co. Waterford:  it is possible that he was from both, i.e. that he owned property in both places or, like the Masons, that he moved from England to Ireland.

Christopher and Margaret were the ancestors of the Waterford and Masonbrook families - my interest is in the Kerry family and, while they have common descent with Christopher, I have not established yet what that is.

Christopher and the Kerry branch were descended from, or close relatives of, Sir John Mason of Sion, Middlesex - not to be confused with the Elizabethan diplomat of the same name.  Sir John of Sion's wife, through her mother, was descended from the Touchet/Lord Audley family.

Regards,
Billy
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Kerry / Re: Info on Cliffords from CastleIsland
« on: Tuesday 11 August 09 16:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

The best source for information on Castleisland, Co. Kerry (including Parish records) and on Newmarket, Co. Cork is the 14/15 volume work O'Kief Coshe Mang by Dr. Albert Casey.  Dr. Casey did an extraordinary job, in the 1950s, of pulling together all of the family history sources for the parishes on both sides of the Cork and Kerry border. If you can get your hands on a copy of the work, you will find it invaluable.

Regards,
TWC

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DUMSPIROSPERO,

Great to hear from you.  (My mail yesterday to ALEVELYHISTORIAN was done from memory; I updated the mail a few moments ago to make it more accurate.)

Do you know of any connection between the Masonbrook and Kerry families?

I have a (poor) copy of a partial family tree (starts 1627) and goes on for a few generations, which I got from the Genealogical Office in Dublin - I have requested access to the original but they are very slow to respond.  I also have, from the same source, a copy of the confirmation of arms from 1711.  I also have a transcript of the 1714 will of Robert Mason of Masonbrook. You are welcome to copies of those.

I stopped my research into the Waterford and Masonbrook families around 1740, as I knew the Masons were well established in Kerry by then.  However, I understand that the National Archives in Dublin have a Masonbrook archive.

I understand from the London Archive that the Parish records for Sion (i.e. for All Saints, Isleworth) are held in Hounslow.  As I live in Ireland, it is difficult for me to access those; however, if yourself or ALEVELYHISTORIAN were able to do that I would be very interested in hearing the results, in particular, who were the children of Sir John of Sion. 

Best regards,
TWC

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Dear ALVELEYHISTORIAN,

PS:  I have a (poor) copy of the Burke entry, which I obtained from the National Library of Ireland, and which I could mail to you if that were not to breach any Rootschat rules.

Regards,
TWC

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Dear DUMSPIROSPERO,

I have replied to ALVELEYHISTORIAN today (re Mason of PIMLICO) - my first time on Rootschat.

My grandmother was Catherine Mason of Ballymacelligott, County Kerry, Ireland and I am researching her family.

I have established an undoubted link, in 1710, between the Masons of Waterford and those of Masonbrook.  I believe the Kerry family were also of the same descent.  Can you tell me, please, whether any of your research/documentation shows a connection between the Waterford/Masonbrook families and that of Kerry.  (While I have information on the Waterford family back to the 1600s, my earliest record for those in Kerry is 1704 when a son of James Mason of Ballymacelligott married Avis McLaughlin of Ballydowney, County Kerry.)

Best regards,
TWC

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Dear ALVELEYHISTORIAN,

This is my first foray into Rootschat.

My grandmother was Catherine Mason of Ballymacelligott, Co. Kerry, Ireland and I am researching her family.

As far as I can determine, the Masons came to Ireland in the early 1600s and were descended from Sir John Mason of Sion, Middlesex (not to be confused with Sir John Mason of Abingdon, the diplomat and spy).  I have a number of sources for that.

The earliest Masons I have found were Christopher, Henry and Castilian, who were granted rights over certain ports in the south east of Ireland, around, 1622.  Christopher settled in Waterford and married a woman from York in 1627.  Her name was Margaret but I am unable to decipher her surname - it may be 'Wright' but the handwriting is unclear.

By 1645, Margaret was a widow and was living in the City of Waterford.

One of Christopher and Margaret's descendants was John Mason who appears to have had a firm grip on political life in Waterford, was an MP and was knighted in the early 1700s.  He also seems to have been very upright - at his own expense, he upheld the will of Bishop Hugh Gore against false claimants and ensured that the Bishop's estate was used for the benefit of widows and others.  A witness to the Bishop's will was a Michael Mason, presumably a connection of John's.  A Mrs. Michael Mason established the Blue Coat School in Waterford and the Mason arms were displayed over the door of the school.

Sir John died around 1710 and was interred in St. John's Church in Waterford.  Unfortunately, that church no longer exists and I have yet to discover where the remains now are.  His daughter and her child, a twin, also were interred there.

Sir John appears to have been very successful in business and had considerable assets.  His grandson, Aland John Mason married into the Villiers family of Dromana, Cappoquin, County Waterford.  The family, through various marriages, became the Mason Villiers and then the Villiers Stuarts.  Conventionally, the family should have been the Mason Stuarts but the Masons were deemed to be less distinguished than the Villiers and, so, got airbrushed out of that family's history - notwithstanding that Aland John restored their fortunes and cleared their debts!!!

The family seems to have branched out from Waterford.  One branch, who were confirmed arms in 1711, settled in Masonbrook, Loughrea, County Galway.  That family became the Monck Masons when one of them married Sarah Monck of St. Stephen's Green, Dublin in the early 1700s.  (That they were related to the Waterford Masons is undoubted as I have seen a will dated 1714 which confirms that.)  The Monck Mason family later moved to Enniskerry, County Wicklow.  The family home still exists in Enniskerry as does the family grave.  One of them was a member of the Irish Privy Council around 1800.  In the 1800s, they were distinguished academics and scientists- I understand one of them was famous balloonist.  The family also is mentioned in 'A Genealogical and Heraldic History of The Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland' by John Burke in Volume IV Pages 354 and 355, 1838.

The Mason family connection with Wicklow pre-dates the Monck Masons - and may well have been their reason for moving there: Castilian Mason was granted lands in Wicklow in 1628 and, in 1641, Robert Mason wrote from Wicklow to the English Parliament giving an account of the war in Ireland - a copy of the letter is held in the National Library of Ireland.

The earliest I have been able to trace the County Kerry family is to 1704, when a son (John or James) of James Mason of Ballymacelligott married Avis McLaughlin of Ballydowney, County Kerry.

DUMSPIROSPERO if you read this, I would be greatly interested to know whether your research/documentation shows any connection between the Waterford and/or Masonbrook family and the County Kerry Masons.

Regards,
TWC

 










 

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