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Lancashire / Re: Brindle Workhouse
« on: Tuesday 14 December 10 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Glad you've got things sorted out. best of luck with the Irish connection.
Bernard
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Lancashire / Re: Brindle Workhouse
« on: Monday 13 December 10 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
The Brindle Workhouse closed the year after the 1871 Census, Christmas 1872, so if he was still there then, he probably was transferred to the, then new, Eaves Lane workhouse in Chorley, where all the inmates moved to. It may be worth looking with that address for a death record and/or in a later Census - 1881 etc. as they may say more than just Ireland.
From my own researches on other things I know it's almost impossible to trace births etc. in Ireland unless you have some sort of locality to go on. (As most central records were destroyed in the 'troubles' - though the local copies are still in the parishes.) The Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society have an Irish Branch that are very well informed and helpful. They even have their own library. See their website http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/irish/index.htm
Failing that, best I can suggest, if you haven't already tried is to look at the scan of the actual census return rather than the transcript. Sometimes there's more detail on the form itself - I'll check my copy and get back to you if there is more than Ireland mentioned. Only other thing I can think of might be to ask at the nearest Catholic Church if they've any record - St Joseph's Benedictine 'Mission', http://www.brindlestjosephs.org.uk/ I know they dealt with the workhouse catholic inmates.
Sorry couldn't be more definite, hope this helps,
Bernard
The Brindle Workhouse closed the year after the 1871 Census, Christmas 1872, so if he was still there then, he probably was transferred to the, then new, Eaves Lane workhouse in Chorley, where all the inmates moved to. It may be worth looking with that address for a death record and/or in a later Census - 1881 etc. as they may say more than just Ireland.
From my own researches on other things I know it's almost impossible to trace births etc. in Ireland unless you have some sort of locality to go on. (As most central records were destroyed in the 'troubles' - though the local copies are still in the parishes.) The Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society have an Irish Branch that are very well informed and helpful. They even have their own library. See their website http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/irish/index.htm
Failing that, best I can suggest, if you haven't already tried is to look at the scan of the actual census return rather than the transcript. Sometimes there's more detail on the form itself - I'll check my copy and get back to you if there is more than Ireland mentioned. Only other thing I can think of might be to ask at the nearest Catholic Church if they've any record - St Joseph's Benedictine 'Mission', http://www.brindlestjosephs.org.uk/ I know they dealt with the workhouse catholic inmates.
Sorry couldn't be more definite, hope this helps,
Bernard
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Lancashire / Re: ROTHWELL
« on: Wednesday 12 August 09 13:06 BST (UK) »
have fun.
Sorry don't know more about Rothwells - I only came across the guy I mentioned as he is probably one of the people involved in building/renting the street of cottages I live in - he owned 7 of the houses and rented them out on the Brindle tithe map 1830s. but if it's the right man, he was quite a famous London lawyer (Queens Counsel) living in Regents Park and had the Sharples Hall in Bolton as well as a substantial property business. I understand he was 'honoured' by Victor Emmanuel for his 'donations to charity and the revolutionists' in Italy. I think this would have been when Italy got unified(?). There's lots of little bits on the net about him including his family - try Marquis de Rothwell in Google.
All the best,
Bernard
Sorry don't know more about Rothwells - I only came across the guy I mentioned as he is probably one of the people involved in building/renting the street of cottages I live in - he owned 7 of the houses and rented them out on the Brindle tithe map 1830s. but if it's the right man, he was quite a famous London lawyer (Queens Counsel) living in Regents Park and had the Sharples Hall in Bolton as well as a substantial property business. I understand he was 'honoured' by Victor Emmanuel for his 'donations to charity and the revolutionists' in Italy. I think this would have been when Italy got unified(?). There's lots of little bits on the net about him including his family - try Marquis de Rothwell in Google.
All the best,
Bernard
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Lancashire / Re: Brindle Workhouse
« on: Monday 10 August 09 22:01 BST (UK) »
Susan,
my contact in Chorley can't find any Rileys either and he's checked baptisms etc. as well. He's interested to know what made you think she was born at the workhouse that year as his information suggests (due to the politicking presumably) that Brindle wasn't accepting that year 1841 - at least not officially.
Bernard
my contact in Chorley can't find any Rileys either and he's checked baptisms etc. as well. He's interested to know what made you think she was born at the workhouse that year as his information suggests (due to the politicking presumably) that Brindle wasn't accepting that year 1841 - at least not officially.
Bernard
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Lancashire Resources / Re: More Chartist ancestors in Lancs
« on: Monday 10 August 09 17:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for link looks really interesting.
Anyone know who I could talk to about a Chartist meeting on Denham Hill, Brindle? (btween Preston Blackburn and Chorley) Don't have date. Apparently quite big, police in attendance(?) newspaper reports etc?
Help appreciated,
Bernard
Anyone know who I could talk to about a Chartist meeting on Denham Hill, Brindle? (btween Preston Blackburn and Chorley) Don't have date. Apparently quite big, police in attendance(?) newspaper reports etc?
Help appreciated,
Bernard
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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Roman Catholic research in Lancashire
« on: Monday 10 August 09 17:00 BST (UK) »
Brindle is quite interesting for religion. Church used to be St Helens (now St James) - site goes back 800 years to Uhtred!, obviously catholic until reformation but still half catholics afterwards in parish. I'm researching the workhouse and it was originally confiscated from catholic family Gerrards as used as a mass house - evidence of others as well.
Assume you're aware of Lancashire Irish branch of Lancs Historical Society - they have their own room with lots of resources in Clayton le Moors.
Assume you're aware of Lancashire Irish branch of Lancs Historical Society - they have their own room with lots of resources in Clayton le Moors.
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Lancashire / Re: Anyone else found criminals?
« on: Monday 10 August 09 16:50 BST (UK) »
grandfather served 3 years in trenches, Paschendale etc., and tried to commit suicide some years after - this was apparently a crime and he was cautioned by the Lancs Cief Constable for it. he tried again some years later and was successful (Newspaper report that he'd never been the same since he came back from France.). The past really is another country - so glad I don't live there.
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Lancashire / Top o' th' Lane, Brindle
« on: Monday 10 August 09 16:38 BST (UK) »
Anyone got anything interesting about Top o'th' lane, Brindle?
Got all the Census details but struggling before 1841.
Got much of history of Brindle Workhouse behind where houses are.
particularly interested in how/why built - about 1800 - possibly an early build for rent job? may even be a link to workhouse?
Bernard
Got all the Census details but struggling before 1841.
Got much of history of Brindle Workhouse behind where houses are.
particularly interested in how/why built - about 1800 - possibly an early build for rent job? may even be a link to workhouse?
Bernard
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Lancashire / Re: Brindle Workhouse
« on: Monday 10 August 09 15:40 BST (UK) »
I've had a look at the Census for 1841 and 1851 (nearest censuses to your dates) but afraid I can't see any Rileys at all. Although the workhouse was quite big and visibly operating at that time the 1841 census isn't very clear about it - it does list lots of people in Brindle with no address - possibly workhouse inmates - but again no Rileys. The 1851 Census is quite clear about the workhouse and again no Rileys. Sorry.
This was a time when there was a lot of 'politicking' going on around the local workhouses about which should be the big one for the area - Leyland, Croston and Chorley were also in the picture. the minutes of the Chorley Poor Law Union are in the County Records Office and there are minutes about the time on Brindle Workhouse at the point you're interested in. I don't see any mentions of Riley in my notes, but I only transcribed ones about the operation of the workhouse, so it might be worth taking a look in case there's a mention of your family.
There definitely were children some children there, there is a guy in Chorley Historical Society who knows more about these than I do who is looking at how they charged the parishes of parents - I'll drop him a line.
This was a period when the workhouse was getting a little better - pleas had been made by local JPs to get it closed down because of conditions in 1826 - there's a fairly scary letter about this in the records office. By 1837, things were getting better and a year or two later it was rebuilt capable of taking 200 (though it never got that big again.) having said that, it was still pretty grim.
Despite not being able to definitely say the Riley(s) were there, it is quite possible they were but the records aren't available - it took people from all over the North West.
Sorry I can't give you any hard evidence, if I come across anything, I'll pass it on.
I've at least got a plaque on the site for those who died there as they would have been buried in unmarked graves. N.B. Not everyone stayed in the workhouse - it's quite possible they were there only for a time, especially if they wern't elderley or disabled.
All the best,
Bernard
This was a time when there was a lot of 'politicking' going on around the local workhouses about which should be the big one for the area - Leyland, Croston and Chorley were also in the picture. the minutes of the Chorley Poor Law Union are in the County Records Office and there are minutes about the time on Brindle Workhouse at the point you're interested in. I don't see any mentions of Riley in my notes, but I only transcribed ones about the operation of the workhouse, so it might be worth taking a look in case there's a mention of your family.
There definitely were children some children there, there is a guy in Chorley Historical Society who knows more about these than I do who is looking at how they charged the parishes of parents - I'll drop him a line.
This was a period when the workhouse was getting a little better - pleas had been made by local JPs to get it closed down because of conditions in 1826 - there's a fairly scary letter about this in the records office. By 1837, things were getting better and a year or two later it was rebuilt capable of taking 200 (though it never got that big again.) having said that, it was still pretty grim.
Despite not being able to definitely say the Riley(s) were there, it is quite possible they were but the records aren't available - it took people from all over the North West.
Sorry I can't give you any hard evidence, if I come across anything, I'll pass it on.
I've at least got a plaque on the site for those who died there as they would have been buried in unmarked graves. N.B. Not everyone stayed in the workhouse - it's quite possible they were there only for a time, especially if they wern't elderley or disabled.
All the best,
Bernard
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