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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 09:44 BST (UK)  »
After the 1852 directory entry showing him at High Street in Carrickfergus, subsequent directories for 1858, 1863, 1865, and 1870 on the PRONI street directory website (also 1868 on the Lennon Wylie website) show him in Larne, but with no address specified.  None of the street directories mention Isabella.

However, Griffith's Valuation (with a local print date of 1861) shows William as a lessee in Dunluce Street in Larne. The Valuation Revision Book for Larne (1863-1866) shows him still in Dunluce Street, however his name was then crossed out and elsewhere in the Book written over the top of someone else in Pound Road Larne (Pound Street today), effectively showing him moving there (precise year isn't shown). The Valuation Revision Book for Larne (1867-1878) shows him still in Pound Road, however his name was then crossed out.

Besides living in Carrickfergus and Larne, I can see no evidence of him living anywhere near St. John's church. He could have hitched a ride on a boat from Larne to the likes of Ferris Bay or had some other similar arrangement across Larne Lough, say, from Magheramorne, but I don't see that as terribly practicable and since we know that a horse and saddle were among his effects sold off after his death, I imagine he travelled to and from the church by horse. With the church being just short of halfway up the Islandmagee peninsular, and Carrickfergus and Larne being about 9-11 miles from the  church, I'm guessing it took from 1 - 1 1/2 hours to ride there.

There is evidence in 1850s newspapers that his involvement in "politics" in Carrickfergus raised some hackles on the basis that he was deemed an outsider.


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Note, to avoid duplicate work, that the same topic has been started under "The Common Room":

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=893026.msg7672065#msg7672065


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Note, to avoid duplicate work, that the same topic has been started under "Cavan":

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=893025.msg7672059


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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 01:04 BST (UK)  »
On top of the evidence indicating the connection between William King Lynar, Eliza Glover, and the children Alfred, Olivia Jane and Jonathon Joseph, here are another couple of references that corroborate the sibling relationship between the two surviving children Alfred and Olivia Jane and suggest continuing contact between the respective families years later. The first reference is the death notice for Alfred in the Belfast Telegraph of 13 August 1923: 

LYNER - August 12, 1923, at his residence, 26 Flora Street, Alfred, the dearly loved and loving husband of Martha Lyner.  His remains will be removed from the above address for interment in Dundonald Cemetery, on Tuesday, the 14th inst., at 2.30 p.m. "Safe in the arms of Jesus." Deeply regretted by his sorrowing Wife and Sons, Daughters-in-law, and Grandchildren, also Sister and Brother-in-law and Nephew.  MARTHA LYNER.

So as well as Alfred's own family, the only other relations getting a mention were a "Sister and Brother-in-law and Nephew", a description that is consistent with the only other relatives we have evidence of in this story so far, namely Olivia and Edmund Costley whose only child was a son - William John - and therefore a nephew to Alfred. It would have been nice if the Costleys had actually been named, still, from the way its written I'm pretty confident that it's them.

The second reference relates to Alfred's son Edward.  The Belfast Newsletter of 25 November 1914 reported the death of Edward Lynar from his war wounds and said that he "was a member of Roe Memorial Total Abstinence L.O.L. 938, Ballymacarrett". Working back from that, on 25 February 1911, the Belfast Weekly Telegraph reported on a social evening held by the Roe Memorial L.O.L. No. 938, at which one of the ladies mentioned as presiding at the tea tables was a Mrs. Costley.  There was also mention of a Br. Edward Lyner contributing to the programme (of entertainment) and a Br. Edmund Costley being the Secretary of the Lodge.  The same newspaper of 16 February 1911, covering a reunion of members of the Roe Memorial L.O.L. 938, named the secretary as Br. Edmund J. Costley and mentioned that Br. Edward Lyner provided a recitation as part of the musical programme.

Now if these were run-of-the-mill names, it would be no great deal, but given how VERY rare - if not unique - these specific forename/surname combinations were (as can be verified by the 1911 Ireland census), I think it is way beyond mere co-incidence that they should appear together in the one context and to me it indicates the probability that Olivia Jane Costley's family and Alfred Lynar's family knew each other and occasionally interacted/associated.


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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Saturday 02 August 25 20:12 BST (UK)  »

... I am interested in reading the full newspaper articles and hearing further research. Life was difficult in those times.


I have pm'ed you regarding how to access those articles.


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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Saturday 02 August 25 09:22 BST (UK)  »
You'll find several "Lynars" and "Lyners" in the Belfast City Council burials website, I've only glanced at them, but because we now know that the surname is rare and suspect that all of the ones found so far in Belfast and South East Antrim are a cluster connected through William K. Lynar and Elizabeth Glover, I would imagine that they are all relevant:

https://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-ceremonies/burial-records/search-for-a-burial-record

Olivia Jane and the mother Elizabeth are in a Costley grave on the same website.


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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Friday 01 August 25 09:52 BST (UK)  »

... I say "This has to be it", for this couple went on to have a son Edward in December 1878 ...
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1879/02934/2075187.pdf

... who in turn married Hannah Taylor at Knock Methodist Church in 1901, the civil record shows his father's name as Alfred and an address in Flora Street which is an exact match for the 1901/1911 census returns:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10023/5645832.pdf


That son of Alfred Lynar and Jane Surgenor sadly died of his wounds in WW1 on 26 October 1914, he was in the Royal Army Medical Corps:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/20853/e-lynar/

I mention it because page 7 of the Larne Times of 28 November 1914 carried a very short bio for Edward and a good photograph, if anyone is interested in seeing whether or not the "looks" have carried down from the Rev. William King Lynar's line.


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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Friday 01 August 25 08:47 BST (UK)  »

... I am also supprised to read in gaffa's last post, a newspaper extract dated 14 August 1869, stating that Eliza Glover had taken her 3 children to Whitehead and left them with Mr Eslar a Warden. Was he the C of I church warden?


This may have been William or David Esler, two brothers who were prominent in the local (Whitehead) community, as they owned between them a farm of 90+ acres in the immediate vicinity. They would have been aged in their late 60s back then.  If not them, then possibly a son like Patrick Esler. 

In the context of the newspaper item and poor relief, this reference is more likely to mean that Esler was a warden for his dispensary district, meaning that he could issue tickets for relief (medical or other) within that district. So he would have been a local point of contact in the Whitehead area for accessing such assistance and all related matters.


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Antrim / Re: William Wainright Lynar and Isabella Semple
« on: Thursday 31 July 25 19:48 BST (UK)  »
The Larne Reporter & Northern Counties Advertiser of 2 May 1868 carried a report of the routine weekly meeting of the Larne Board of Guardians about the operation of the workhouse.  Among the various items discussed was a letter to the Commissioners from an inmate named "Eliza Kane Glover", corroborating a complaint made by the matron against the master and schoolmistress about a child badly treated by the other children.  Eliza Kane Glover's letter, as published in full, set out an incident in which her 6 year old daughter had the collar of her slip pulled by an older girl.

Fast forward one week to 9 May 1868, when the same newspaper in the same type of routine weekly report had an item about the Board's discussion of the complaint, which included the following:

The Master - I would also suggest that Eliza Glover be removed from the other inmates, and placed in the separation ward.  She has given birth to another child a few days since, and refuses to give the name of its father.
Mr. Burke - That's the woman who wrote to the Commissioners.
Mr. Casement - I would say that she and all such characters should be put into that ward.
Dr. Knox - That is the use of the ward; and the usual practice, in most unions, is to separate from the other inmates all females who have had two or more illegitimate children.

A year and a bit later on 14 August 1869, the same newspaper in the same type of routine weekly report carried the following item:

A woman named Eliza Kane Glover appeared before the Board for the purpose of removing her three illegitimate children from the Workhouse.  She had been an inmate for a considerable period, and her children were in great measure reared in the house. She had recently obtained her discharge and that of her children, but had, it appeared, deserted them at Whitehead. They were taken in charge by Mr. Eslar, a Warden, who placed them under a woman named Sharp, who had them conveyed to the Workhouse.  The mother made a long rambling statement with reference to the reputed father of the children and his promises to contribute towards their support.

His Lordship suggested that the best thing under the circumstances that could be done was, to allow her to take out the children and instruct the Relieving Officer to look after them; and if it was found that she had again deserted them, to have her arrested and made amenable to the law.

The other members of the Board coincided in this arrangement, and the woman was allowed in the meantime to take out her children.

Presumably the 6 year old daughter mentioned in the newspaper item of 2 May 1868 was Olivia Jane, so that would place her birth c. 1862. The child mentioned as having been born a few days before in the newspaper item of 9 May 1868 must have been be Jonathon Joseph (born on 1 May in the Workhouse according to the birth registration). And presumably Alfred makes up the third of the three children mentioned in the newspaper item of 14 August 1869 (Jonathon Joseph only died the following year).

Interesting stuff. I can pm you copies if required.


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