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Armed Forces / Re: Service Record of Charles Tilbrook 1850's.
« on: Thursday 13 October 11 22:52 BST (UK)  »
Dear Mrsk,
                    I don’t know if I can provide anything else of interest for you since I was researching for a friend and passed it over to them shortly after I wrote my previous entry and I don’t believe they have done anything more.
   Since James’ father, the Colour Sergeant  Charles Snr died in Bermuda in 1853, then I assume you mean Charles Jnr, who was brother to James was on the 1869 Wedding Certificate as a witness. That seems logical as they were at The Royal Military Asylum together as pupils and both joined the 56th at a similar time. All I can contribute then in addition to what I have previously written is details of the death of Charles Arthur Tilbrook (Charles Jnr). I obtained the Death Certificate and it shows he died on 12th December 1889 aged 42 in Reval Russia. I think this is now in Estonia and sometimes spelt Revel. He was 2nd mate on board the SS Erota out of Grimsby and the death was registered by the Captain, T.D. Dowse. An interesting point to note is that it was a Death Certificate issued by the British Vice-Consulate in Reval and although there are many columns for relevant information, nowhere is there anywhere to enter a cause of death. That must have been left to the local authorities to decide/confirm and register locally.
   Sorry I can’t be of more help but good luck with your research and if I find out more I will return to the thread and post the relevant details.
Steve

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Armed Forces / Re: Service Record of Charles Tilbrook 1850's.
« on: Thursday 06 August 09 01:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ken,
           Thank you for letting me know where the regiment was between 1886 and 1890. I found there was a Revel in France and also that Tallinn, the capital of Estonia was previously called Revel. So maybe this was the wrong Charles or he was in overland Transit or just visiting in a civilian role by then.

Regards,
Steve

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Armed Forces / Re: Service Record of Charles Tilbrook 1850's.
« on: Thursday 06 August 09 01:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi Emma,
                  Thank you for replying. I have not long started this search so I expect you are actually much further on than myself but it is only at Charles Snr and Isabella that the two lines intersect.

A lot of what you tell me here is very useful. I now know that Leveson (I had not come across this as a given name before but I am told usually pronounced Looson if used as a first name) is connected to Charles Jnr which I suspected and it appears that the children I found did indeed belong to James.  I knew Charles Snr had been to Ireland before Gibralter but had no details about his enlistment or a certificate of death to find his birth information. Thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction there.

The only information that I have, that might help you fill in some relatives information is about Charles Jnr.
He was born on 12th April 1847 in Gibralter to Charles and Isabella Tilbrook and baptised there as Charles (no sign of the Arthur until later) on 7th June  1847 by J Buchanan, Chaplain to the Forces.

I then have a marriage of an Arthur Charles Tilbrook age 23 and a soldier in 1870. I have not made the definitive proof link between the two people to show they are one and the same yet but the age, profession and name match and the father of the groom is described as Charles Tilbrook with the fathers profession left blank (maybe because he has died) and equally I cannot find him elsewhere.

He was married on 12th July 1870 to Martha Jane Cheetham who is described as age 17 (although she was described as 16 on the census the next year). They were married in St. James  Parish Church in Salford, Lancashire. They had a son James born in 1871 (my friends direct ancestor) and according to the census a son Joseph C born in 1870 in Eccles. I cannot find them on the birth indexes currently. 

Thank you again and I will now get on with looking up some of the information and let you know if I find anything fresh.

Regards
Steve

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Armed Forces / Re: Service Record of Charles Tilbrook 1850's.
« on: Wednesday 05 August 09 16:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ken,
           Firstly, thank you for replying to my post and with such interesting information and secondly let me say sorry for the length of the paragraph. Once the note exceeds the box, the refresh makes it difficult so I kept it compact which causes problems when you are as verbose as myself. In future I will type off line and paste into the box to avoid the problem!

Yes, the birth in Gibralter was indeed Charles Jnr. and I was aware he also became a soldier from his marriage certificate. What was especially interesting about your reply was the presence of James on the school list. I am sure he will be related if not a brother to Charles and I didn’t know of him although as you say the different admission date is interesting.

 A problem is that as Army they rarely appear on any census list. I had found only one other Tilbrook Army birth abroad for that period, Leveson Tilbrook in Gibralter around 1850. However from his age on that register James must have been born around 1843-44. The regiment was in Britain then and indeed I have now found  a James Tilbrook born in the Dec qtr 1843 at Melton Mowbray.

I also found Army Births abroad for the 56th Regiment that were date consistent with offspring of Charles Snrs children. Interestingly called Isabella J at Curragh in 1870 and Mary A in Poona in 1873. I was sure these weren’t Charles’ children as they were in Manchester so maybe they were James’ children.

Charles Jnr does not appear in any census after his school days in 1861 (I was lucky there since he was discharged to the army only a week after the 1861 census) or with any UK registered death.  I have found a death of a Charles A Tilbrook (his second name was Arthur) as a consular death at Revel between 1886 and 1890. I don’t know where the new Essex Regiment was at this time or if Revel makes sense. I guess some purchased documents will may things clearer.

Thank you again for your response. I wouldn’t have found the Chelsea documents easily otherwise.   

Steve

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Armed Forces / Re: Service Record of Charles Tilbrook 1850's.
« on: Wednesday 05 August 09 00:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi Emma,
               I am new to Rootschat so I hope I have done this correctly. I have currently reached a bit of an impasse with my own tree so I am researching a family for a friend of mine. One of her ancestors was an Arthur Charles Tilbrook. He was married around 1870 in Salford, Lancashire aged about 23 but I could find no record of a relevant birth in the UK. I started looking for military or consular births abroad and found one who fitted perfectly. It was an Army birth and he was born in Gibralter in 1847 to parents called Charles and Isabella Tilbrook. This is where the agreement with your person comes in. Charles was a Colour Sergeant in the 1st Battalion of the 56th Regiment (as Ken says the West Essex Rifles then). This regiment went to Gibralter between Dec 1846 and Feb 1847. It left Gibralter in May 1851 and sailed to Bermuda on The Resistance. A massive outbreak of Yellow Fever occurred in Sep 1853 and more than 100 of the 500 men in the regiment died there. I do not have his death certificate but I am assuming since this is when and where he died it is likely he was a victim of the Yellow Fever outbreak. I think the victims were buried in St George's Military cemetery there (I am not certain though and there are a lot of cemetries and military installations there). I can find no further trace of Isabella and no UK marriage that makes sense so I am wondering whether, given her name, Isabella may be Spanish and they met on Gibralter where she may have returned. However, I found the son in the 1861 census as a scholar on a military foundation in Chelsea but no mother so maybe Isabella perished also in Bermuda. In Charles I think we are almost certainly looking at one and the same person, so if you think I may have something relevant to your quest please let me know and if you beat me to Kew and find anything relevant in the service record I would most appreciate hearing about it.

Regards,
Steve

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