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Hi Gnu

Thank you so much for all the time you have put into this for me.   It has certainly pointed me in the right direction (again).  Now all I will be doing is finding more about our family from Denbighshire. 

I guess I should also thank my gr. grandfather who almost consistantly recorded on his census records where he was born, even if he didn't live there most of his life.  He must of been awfully proud of his Welsh roots.

Funnily enough, I had only a couple of months ago stopped using FindMyPast.   It looks like I will be signing up again.

Again...thank you so much, your a treasure.

irene

Hi Gnu,

Sorry, I apologise I do appreciate your efforts.  My only excuse is that you are so fast I am anxious to reply and to get the information off to you....unfortunately,  I forget my PQ's.

As for the following information you sent.
There is a baptism in my Chirk records that might  be John:
May 17 1846 John s/o Elizabeth Jones, spinster of Pentre
Note that Samuel and Mary and grandson were living in Pentre in 1851

Does that mean the Pentre birth etc. would be recorded in Chirk?

Thank you
irene

Hi Gnu,
I see you have been very busy.  Yes you are correct on all you searches, I have found the same.  Except maybe

The Moodys who were next door in 1871:

Coed yr allt, Ifton Rhyn, St Martins
RG10/2784/74/1
Elizabeth Moody, wid, 82, b. St Martins
Frederick, son, widr, 41, coal miner, b. -do-
Frederick, grdson, unm, 18, -do-, b. Chirk
Samuel Moody, grdson, 12, -do-, -do
I think Frederick (grandson) is Frederick (widower's son).   Samuel is probably William Moody's son because by 1871 William and his new wife (Martha) are in Ince Lancs.  RG10/3892/70/16

irene

Hi Gnu,

The marriage cert I received today is for John Jones 22, (collier) and Catherine Phillips, 20 both of Cefn Mawr.

Fathers as you named.

This is my John E. Jones parents.   Catherine Phillips died in 1874.

What I am now trying to determine is who the parent are of John Jones (born about 1844). 

irene

Hi Everybody,

I have a John Jones Jnr and Snr from Chirk that I have been researching for a while. 
I now believe John Jones Snr (born about 1845) married Catherine Phillips.  Catherine Phillips I believe is the daughter of Jane Phillips.  Yeah those Phillips (Jane & Martha) - all I know is they had lots of children and no husbands (until Martha married anyway).   
Today I received Catherine's birth cert. (1846), naming her mother but no father (no surprise there).
I also received the marriage cert. for Catherine Phillips and John Jones (Wrexham 1866).   Both named their father's which was a surprise.   I didn't know that John was also illegitimate and Catherine actually named someone.   However, I also thought   (a)  picked names because they had to fill in the box OR (b) they named their real father's.   

Next question is John Jones (born about 1845) and all of the census records I have been able to track down he stated he was from Chirk.   Problem is there a approximately 39 John Jones born in Oswestry between 1844 and 1846.   Any ideas, I would like to find out who his mother is and order his birth certificate    
I would at least like to find out who his mother was. 

Any help would be appreciated
Irene