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No, sorry, I can't!  :o

The Wellington office is now closed until 31 August while they move across the road to their new building.

The earliest I'll be able to see the file will be mid October after I return from an overseas trip.

Can you please send me a reminder PM about 13 October.

Regards,

Spades

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Hi Marmalady,

My apologies, I've just re-read this topic and realised I'd promised to get this file for you.

I'll get it within the next two weeks.

Regards,

Spades


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New Zealand Resources & Offers / Re: Whaling and whalers in New Zealand waters
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 09:18 BST (UK)  »
Books:

Dingwall, P.R. et al (eds) - Enderby Settlement Diaries: Records of a British Colony at the Auckland Islands, 1849-1852. Akld: Wild Press & Wordsell Press, 1999. [18]267 pages. 23.5 cm. Illus (some col), maps.
The ill-fated, soap opera colony of the Southern Whale Fishery Company, as documented in the diaries of William A. Mackworth and William J. Munce. Commentaries include chapter on "The Maori-Moriori community".

McIntosh, R. (1938). Whaling in New Zealand Waters — “There She Blows.” Published in The New Zealand Railways Magazine, Volume 12, Issue 12 (March 1, 1938.)

McKillop, Captain Bill. (2019). The last of the sail whalers: whaling off southern New Zealand and Tasmania.
McKillop was born on Stewart Island in 1865, grew up in Riverton and was the last of the sail whalers in Foveaux Strait, Fiordland and the southern islands: Chathams, Solander, the Snares, Auckland ("the most inhospitable coast I ever saw") and Campbell. He died in Hobart in 1938. As well as the many NZ references there is considerable detail on sealing, on whale capture and processing, and the life of whalemen ashore and at sea. Chapter headings: Early life and sealing in New Zealand; The whale chase; Whaling out of New Zealand and Tasmania; Incidents on our voyages; Some famous Hobart whalemen; Whales; The merchant mariner; Valedictory (by Will Lawson); William McKillop, a brief biography.

Philbrick, N. (2000). In the heart of the sea. Explains the working life and crew culture of whalers from the American perspective, how they were hired and the process of hunting and then processing a whale. 

Richards, R. (1995). The Foveaux whaling yarns of Yankee Jack.

Rickard L.S. (1965). The whaling trade in old New Zealand.

Straubel (ed.) (1954). The whaling journal of W.B. Rhodes: Barque Australian of Sydney 1836-1838

Tod F. (1982). Whaling in southern waters.

Whitecar, W.B. (1860). Four years aboard the whaleship. Embracing cruises in the Pacific, Atlantic, Indian and Antarctic oceans in the years 1855, ‘6,’7,’8,’9.
https://whalesite.org/anthology/1860_Whiitecar_Four%20Years.htm

Spades

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New Zealand Resources & Offers / Whaling and whalers in New Zealand waters
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 09:15 BST (UK)  »
This is by no means an exhaustive list of resources on this subject so feel free to add links if you wish.

Introduction.
The Māori, who were the first to settle in New Zealand, ate stranded whales. The earliest record of European whaling in New Zealand waters is December 1791, when the whaleship William and Ann called in at Doubtless Bay during a whaling voyage in the Pacific. The Britannia arrived about the same time. Both ships were whalers that had chartered to carry convicts on the outward voyage from Britain and land them at Sydney before going whaling.
In the early 19th century, Kororāreka (now Russell) in the Bay of Islands was an important port of call for whaling and sealing ships.
By the 1830s most whaling, apart from American ships, was done from shore bases with mixed crews of Māori and European sailors.
In the first half of the 19th century, almost a hundred small shore stations were established - in the South Island at Te Awaiti and Preservation Inlet and later at Stewart Island, Otago, Timaru and Kaikōura and Cloudy Bay. On Banks Peninsula the first shore was at Little Port Cooper in 1836 and by 1842 there were a total of five stations, including Oashore Bay, Ikoraki and Peraki. North of Wellington, there were three whaling stations at Porirua, and five on Kapiti Island. There were also shore stations at New Plymouth and Great Barrier Island. By 1840 the whale numbers had declined to the point that whaling was unprofitable, and in 1844 the last of the early onshore stations closed.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_New_Zealand)

Checklist of Whaleship arrivals at the ports on the North-East coast of New Zealand 1803-1895
https://sites.google.com/site/kororarekapublication/

Whalemen’s Shipping List and Merchants’ Transcript, 1843-1914
https://nmdl.org/projects/wsl/

American Offshore Whaling Voyages - a Database
https://nmdl.org/projects/aowv/aowv/

San Francisco Shanghaiers—A Database
https://nmdl.org/projects/sfshangaiers/sfs/

https://trove.nla.gov.au/search?keyword=whaling   (scroll down)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search?keyword=whalers    (scroll down)
https://www.toituosm.com/collections/smith-gallery/wall-1/john-sarah-jones
https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1j4/jones-john
https://whalinghistory.org/av/crew/
https://www.newbedford-ma.gov/library/whaling-database/#:~:text=A%20Crew%20List%20is%20a,Question:%20What%20is%20an%20attachment?
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22618171
https://whalinghistory.org/wr/az256/
https://whalinghistory.org/bv/crew/
https://nmdl.org/projects/wsl/
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22625303
https://www.cplay.co.nz/stories/300-sealers-and-whalers-started-to-arrive-early-1800s
https://www.visitwairoa.co.nz/see-and-do/attractions/waikokopu/
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22605809
https://teara.govt.nz/en/map/20100/whaling-in-foveaux-strait-1820s-to-1840s.
https://teara.govt.nz/en/hawkes-bay-region/page-5. Ngati Pahauwera have some info in their history documents as many whalers married Māori women:
https://www.tearawhiti.govt.nz/assets/Ngati-Pahauwera-Affidavit-on-behalf-of-Trustees.pdf
https://whalewatch.co.nz/our-home/whaling-history/

Spades

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New Zealand / Re: Ship:Lyttleton
« on: Tuesday 01 July 25 09:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lnr,

I was hoping that the Crew List Index Project (CLIP) website might be helpful to you, but although it lists the SS Lyttelton and other vessel of that name there is no crew list that I can see:
https://www.crewlist.org.uk/#top

You can search a wide variety of useful databases including vessel and crew name.

From my incomplete perusal of Papers Past articles reporting the Lyttelton's wreck and the subsequent inquiry no crew other than the captain were mentioned.

Regards,

Spades

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New Zealand / Re: Ship:Lyttleton
« on: Tuesday 01 July 25 07:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lnr,

Here is a link to an 1882 photo of the Lyttelton at Port Chalmers. She was owned by the Albion Shipping Company.
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/23008656?search%5Bi%5D%5Bname_authority_id%5D=-188998&search%5Bpath%5D=items

Is this the same vessel? The year of it's wreck is the same.
https://www.theprow.org.nz/events/the-voyage-of-the-ss-lyttelton/

No, she was a paddle steamer.

Your Lyttelton sailed under the Shaw, Savill & Albion Co. flag.

Report of the wreck.

Evening Post, 12 June 1886, Page 3
SECOND EDITION. WRECK AT TIMARU.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tue/

Spades



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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: A List of Remittance Men in New Zealand
« on: Monday 30 June 25 11:03 BST (UK)  »
I've moved it from Occupations and given it its own topic.

Spades


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New Zealand Resources & Offers / Remittance Men in New Zealand
« on: Monday 30 June 25 11:00 BST (UK)  »
https://genealogyjourno.wordpress.com/remittance-men-in-new-zealand/

'Remittance man’ was the term given to those reliant on family or friends for an income. A remittance agreement was usually verbal and the reason might be to protect the family reputation due to some indiscretion on the part of the individual now consigned to live on a monthly cheque which would arrive by mail.

See also Colonial Outcasts. A search for the remittance men, by N. Hartley (1993) Arrow Press.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: A List of Remittance Men in New Zealand
« on: Monday 30 June 25 10:34 BST (UK)  »
No worries at all, I did hide it rather well  ::) ::)

Me

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