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Scotland / Re: Coal Mine Deaths, Work Conditions, Locations
« on: Wednesday 31 May 06 23:19 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much. Their lives must have been like hell on earth, from the looks of it. It breaks my heart and makes me proud of their tenacity at the same time. Jane

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Scotland / Coal Mine Deaths, Work Conditions, Locations
« on: Wednesday 31 May 06 19:01 BST (UK)  »
Hello-I have received so much help from MonicaLesl on rootschat! I have a new query, after searching censuses and family information on Wypers, Patersons, Penmans, & Browns: Robert Wyper, age 11, and Peter Wyper, age 15, are both shown as coal miners, along with their father...I am hoping there is a link to a site covering the collieries in the 18th-19th centuries in  Scotland, and possible names of those killed at work in them. I am not looking for a specific family name here. I was just dumbfounded to think of an 11 year old already doing a man's work.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Andrew McKenzie Brown, KIA 1916
« on: Tuesday 30 May 06 23:09 BST (UK)  »
Oh, my...that is my family! I always wondered where the Wyper name came from. And now, thanks to you, I do. I love the free census. USA is so very limited-and greedy, too.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Andrew McKenzie Brown, KIA 1916
« on: Tuesday 30 May 06 22:18 BST (UK)  »
I do have a lot of questions, don't I?! Sorry for the bother. Her name was Jean Brown, rather than Jane. And as for Helen Patterson Brown, Frances Penman (Fanny) married John Brown. Her parents were...David Penman and Helen Patterson! I looked up naming patterns, and it seems they did tend to follow them, which is good for my sake. Thank you so much. Where did you find Hel(l)en Patterson Brown? Is it a link you have already sent me? I was up until after 1 a.m. last night, going through the free census link. I am so grateful, you've no idea.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Andrew McKenzie Brown, KIA 1916
« on: Tuesday 30 May 06 04:17 BST (UK)  »
Thank you-It is almost certainly them. I wonder if 'Jean' may have been John, or if John perhaps died. It happened so often then. I will look into it. I am amazed at the response time to my queries here-you have given me more information in one day and places to look for more than in a year at rootsweb and familysearch.org. I didn't know where to start. UK has so much better information, I think. Of course, we only have 200 years to work with...

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Andrew McKenzie Brown, KIA 1916
« on: Monday 29 May 06 23:07 BST (UK)  »
Here is additional information, though other counties are involved, on my g-g-grandfather:

Name: John Brown
Given Name: John
Surname: Brown
Sex: M
Event: 10 nov 1838 Mar ried 1838 lasswade, scotland

Name: Frances Penman
Given Name: Frances
Surname: Penman
Sex: F
Birth: 15 SEP 1815 in Cockpen Midlothian

Father: David Penman
Mother: Helen Patterson

Marriage 1 John Brown
Children
 Andrew McKenzie Brown b: 15 JUN 1844 in Preston Pons,
Scotland
 Jean Brown

I have looked at the middle name index, and was amazed to find so many McKenzie Browns, and also so many Penman Browns. Our family has a long history of using the mother's name as a middle name. I hope this helps, and appreciate all information.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Andrew McKenzie Brown, KIA 1916
« on: Monday 29 May 06 22:45 BST (UK)  »
Yes, John McKenzie Brown is a relative. I will search the parents listed, and I thank you for your prompt replies.

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Aberdeenshire / Andrew McKenzie Brown, KIA 1916
« on: Monday 29 May 06 20:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello-My g-g-grandfather's name was ANDREW McKENZIE BROWN. He lived in Kirknewton/East Calder parish, and married Ann Knox of Carnbee Parish there in 1866. They later emigrated to U.S.A. Andrew had a sister, JEAN BROWN. We have no information on her at all. I found this man:

"Sergeant Andrew McKenzie BROWN (297)

5th Gordon Highlanders

Born at Coxhal (Aberdeenshire). Enlisted at New Machar

KIA on 31st July 1916

Caterpillar Valley Cemetery, Longueval, Somme, France. Grave XI.D.26"

Obviously, the name is exactly the same. Our Andrew's  grandson shared the name as well.  I am hoping to find this man's ancestors, and perhaps a link to our lost Jean. She did not emigrate, and so far as I know he never saw her again. Any information on this or other McKenzie Browns would be greatly appreciated.

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Fife / Re: Carnbee Parish & John Hood of Melrose Abbey?
« on: Tuesday 11 January 05 00:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you-I posted too many queries in one note, rather than divide my questions up into counties/areas. I appreciate your suggestion, and will attend to that. I am still searching for information on Carnbee Parish, and plan to visit England and Scotland this fall...

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