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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request for BUNDY Wiltshire
« on: Thursday 27 August 09 04:47 BST (UK)  »
If we think back to periodic times... All the villages and hamlets were on "main roads"... Usually dirt roads that lead from one village to the next... Easy access to business and marriageable partners.

Hence the fact that many spouses were from Nunton, Redlynch, Weeks and so forth... Basically they lived "up the road".

I have found that many families married into lines numerous occasions through the generations... Take the Eastman lines for instance. They married into the Smith family twice that I have been able to find.

Also, as Downton would have been small at the time (no doubt it is a bit bigger now) everybody knew everybody, all the children would have played and grown up together and marriages between the families would have happened over and over in most if not all the Downton families.

I have found that even though generations have passed, human nature remains the same. Illegitimacy occurred, but these days it is far more accepted than it was back then.

I still find it very interesting that George Bundy never seemed to have taken on the surname of Snelgrove. Mind you, it could have simply have been the case that Bundy sounded better than Snelgrove did... Taking human nature into consideration again. ;)

Mind you, back then the most concerning thing in regard to illegitimate children was recognition of paternity... If his father "acknowledged" George as his biological son, then that would have made everyone content and perhaps George simply kept Bundy by choice... Or, he did not like his father! :D

We could guess at this for hours.

Yes, do keep your eye out for the word "base" or "base born". "Base born" is a very old fashioned term. It stems from the term "baser instincts".

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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request for BUNDY Wiltshire
« on: Monday 24 August 09 13:53 BST (UK)  »
Aah, now that is what I originally thought... The "base born" child.

Elizabeth's son was not the only illegitimate child born in the family lines in Downton. One of the Eastman women had a base born child as well... Funny thing, I spent ages trying to find "Base Eastman". Thought it was one of those unusual names (come on, if they can call a child Prince they can call a child anything!!). I feel like an absolute goose when I realised the child was base born and not named "Base".

Well, in reality, George WAS a Snelgrove - regardless of which side of the mattress he was born on. It would be interesting to find out if he was officially claimed. I doubt he was though, considering he lived and died as a Bundy.

Then again, here's food for thought... What were the MALE Bundy lines like at that time? WHERE there any male Bundys? If not, it may have been deliberate so as to keep the Bundy line going.

I've been to Downton a few times myself in the past. My grandmother was born in a house at Waterside. The first time I saw the house, I'd have been about 3 and it had a green door. When I saw it again at 16 the door was white... But the drain that rain along the front of the houses was still there and still uncovered.

I have also been inside the Eastman home/factory on The Burrough a couple of times. At the time, it was lived in by Bertha and Linda Eastman - spinster sisters whom I had known since I was 3, although they are both deceased now.

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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request for BUNDY Wiltshire
« on: Friday 21 August 09 14:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi John,

I am very familiar with Carol (RE the web site you used where reference was made that William and Henry were Wood Turners). I don't know if this was Carol's mistake, or whether she got this information from elsewhere and it was the mistake of somebody else. Maybe somebody thought the furniture the Eastmans made was made out of actual wood... I have no idea.

The Eastmans were, without a doubt, basket weavers in general, but they did make furniture out of reeds or cane or whatever it was as well. Small pieces of furniture though - chairs and baby's cradles and such. But the main line of business was baskets.

They worked from their own home which was on The Borough ("The Burough" was the street name - like The Glade or such).

Bert, my great grandfather Leo's youngest brother (who married a descendant from the SMITH family) continued to weave baskets right up to his death in the 1960s.

Now, I don't know anything about George's first wife, but I did know that he had been previously married. Obviously I've not pursued this because he married "my" Ann/Anne and that's all I was interested in.

According to my information (which I most certainly do not swear by, by the way) Elihu Isaac Bundy was born on Dec 28th 1953... If this is so, then he was either an early baby or George and Ann/Anne HAD to get married (if you know what I mean!).

Oh another thing I forgot to mention to you was that it looks like George actually had his mother's surname... My research has shown George's father to actually have been a William SNELGROVE.


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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request for BUNDY Wiltshire
« on: Wednesday 19 August 09 08:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi John,

No, my line is directly out of Downton in Wiltshire... My grandmother on my mother's side is an Eastman.

Looking at my research I have as follows (but don't take it to heart as some info is still questionable)...

I am going to write this backwards... My grandmother first...

Dorothy Alice Eastman b 1915 in Downton, Wiltshire (my grandmother)

Father... Prince Leopold Eastman b 1885 in Downton, Wiltshire (d 1918 in Beirut, Syria)

Mother... Alice Dowding b 1888 in Nunton, Wiltshire (d 1964 in Sydney, Australia)

Father of Leo Eastman... Henry Eastman b 1842 in Downton, Wiltshire

Mother of Leo Eastman... Mary Ann Prince b 1840 in Downton, Wiltshire (mother of Mary Ann Prince was possibly Hannah MOODY)

Parentage of Leo Eastman proven on Leo's war records.

Right... Onwards...

Father of Henry Eastman... William Eastman b abt 1803 (AND father of Ann/Anna Eastman) (d bef 1890)

Henry and Ann/Anna were brother and sister!

Henry was also a twin to George Eastman.

Mother of Henry Eastman... Elizabeth Isaac b 1801 in Rockbourne, Wiltshire (d 1891 in Downton, Wiltshire)


RE Ann/Anna Eastman Bundy and Canada...

m George Bundy 28 April 1850 in the Baptist Chapel in Downton, Wiltshire

Possible children of Ann/Anna and George Bundy...

Elihu Isaac Bundy b 1853 in Wiltshire
Florence Sabina Bundy b 1855 in Wiltshire d 1857 in Wiltshire
Sabina Jemima Bundy  b 1857 ONTARIO CANADA (possibly born bef toddler Florence's death)
Florence Lydia Bundy b 1860 ONTARIO CANADA
Marcus Henry Bundy b 1864 ONTARIO CANADA
Thirza Mary Bundy b 1866 ONTARIO CANADA
William Samuel Bundy b 1869 ONTARIO CANADA

I also have... (but I don't buy it... May be a "late baby")

Alfred Albert Bundy b 1886 ONTARIO CANADA d 1944 MICHIGAN USA

In regard to Tom Palmer... He descends from Ann/Anna Eastman Bundy but I am not familiar with is line of descent... I have a printed copy of his gedcom among my research files.

Many families left Downton sponsored by the Parish because work was scarce and the work houses were full. Migrating to other countries, particularly Canada to begin with, was encouraged to ease the burden.

Then after WW1 many lovely ladies migrated to Australia as War Brides. Leo Eastman died mere days prior to the end of WW1 due to Malaria. His widow, Alice Dowding Eastman married an Australian military man (Stephen Harris) and migrated to Australia as a War Bride and brought my grandmother (Leo's daughter) out here with her and her new husband. My grandmother was eventually adopted by Stephen Harris and was raised and married as a Harris.



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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request for BUNDY Wiltshire
« on: Sunday 16 August 09 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

Sorry that I didn't reply sooner... I lost my mother unexpectedly.

I do have a lot of info in regard to George Bundy and Ann/Anne Eastman.

Are you familiar with a fellow in the US called Tom Palmer? He is a descendant of these people as well. We had been in contact, but lost contact a couple of years ago.

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Wiltshire / Re: Families of Downton, Wiltshire
« on: Saturday 18 July 09 09:36 BST (UK)  »
Hey Nicky,

My own research centres around the Eastman family lines at the moment.

I'm trying to search out Eastman marriages in the 1700s... I have a whole pile of guesses and assumptions, but I haven't been able to find anything that even resembles concrete.

I've got the 1500s, a tad of the 1600s but it's the 1700s that I'm stuck in.

The 1800s isn't an issue as my great-grandfather was born in 1885 (my grandmother's father) and his war records (which I have) has his parents on it and it was very simple to track his family.

I am also trying to seek out any more modern Eastmans who left Downton for other areas.


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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request for BUNDY Wiltshire
« on: Friday 17 July 09 15:55 BST (UK)  »
FYI

In my records I have a George Bundy married to Anne/Anna Eastman... Both born in Wiltshire and emigrated to Canada.

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Wiltshire / Re: Families of Downton, Wiltshire
« on: Friday 17 July 09 15:44 BST (UK)  »
I am directly descended from families out of Downton.

My grandmother (who is still alive) was born in Downton but  now lives here in Australia.

My family names include...

Eastman
Moody
Smith
Prince
Mussell
Cooper

And others.

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