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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Joseph Outram
« on: Friday 28 June 19 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Good evening everyone
Thank you so much for your contributions - I now have some concrete facts to go on with regard to Joseph Outram.
Phil

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Joseph Outram
« on: Friday 28 June 19 15:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks all for your responses so far.
  I am not convinced that the Joseph Outram listed as a colliery deputy is the same one.  In another message posted in 2009, Rootsweb member "Grizzly" asks about a Joseph Outram who was a Colliery Manager so I think there is risk of confusion.  The Outram I am researching was listed in the 1908 Hamstead disaster reports as a "Miner".
 Please note that Joseph Outram is not a relation but purely a subject of some research I am carrying out for a forthcoming book.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Joseph Outram
« on: Friday 28 June 19 12:19 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to track down the Joseph Outram who was awarded the Edward Medal for his part in the attempted rescue of miners from the Hamstead Pit in 1908.  He was part of the Tankersley rescue brigade but I can find no information on him either before 1908 or afterwards. If anyone has any information I would be very grateful. Thanks.  Phil

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Any Dates please
« on: Tuesday 07 September 10 23:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everybody
A very interesting thread and one which does indeed include references to my relative, Walter Clifford (1862-1923).  I have more detail about him, his son Arthur and the early years of Mines Rescue on my website, which has recently relocated to www.heroes-of-mine.co.uk
I can advise that the two medals worn by Walter are the Edward Medal (Mines) 1st Class and an especially minted Gold Medal given to him and some of his colleagues. Both awards date from March 1908 and relate to the Hamstead Colliery fire in which Walter and his colleagues repeatedly attempted to rescue entombed miners from a burning mine. Again there is more detail on my site about the Hamstead Colliery incident.
I am indebted to "The-AC-project" for sharing this photo and it is my intention to include it on my website when I update shortly.
Hopefully someone may view the photo and be able to put some names to the gallant rescue team members?
As regards the date of the picture clearly, from the medals, it is post 1908 and, I am guessing here, pre 1911. Other pictures of him show a 3rd medal which was awarded by the North Staffs Colliery Owners and carried 'bars' for each rescue he was involved in. This medal, which carried his first bar from 1911, is not evident in the picture.
The fact that there is another picture on my site which appears to be almost identical (please excuse the oximoron!) is evidence that early mines rescue training teams, in a given area, all attended a central location for their training 'stint' and were therefore photographed in similar carefully orchestrated poses.

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Armed Forces / Re: Lovat Scouts,1st Yeomanry Cyclist Regiment 1917
« on: Friday 10 July 09 22:04 BST (UK)  »
Doddie
Long shots sometimes work! :)
Contact Phil Clifford using the feedback page at www.heroes-of-mine.co.uk

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