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Armagh / Re: William Henry Pentland 1870 - 1916
« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 16:19 BST (UK)  »
The British army travelled far and wide but my guess is that they did not make it to Mauritania, perhaps there was a mistake on the Tandragee site and it should really be Mauritius.
I had forgotten about Olive Whiteside, there was a record of an Olive Lewis being married to a John Pentland in 1868, perhaps there is a connection.

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Armagh / Re: William Henry Pentland 1870 - 1916
« on: Tuesday 25 June 13 10:03 BST (UK)  »
I thought the same about the Whiteside lady but how did she get called Whiteside? Presume she had Joshua and then married a gent. called Whiteside.
Here is the link for the Mauritania information,
http://www.tandrageeonline.com/page.php?id=167&PHPSESSID=8a46dcf0628109445ed8d19016f66d82

It rather confirms the Pentland Aldershot birth.

David

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Armagh / Re: William Henry Pentland 1870 - 1916
« on: Monday 24 June 13 18:14 BST (UK)  »
There are two records for a George Pentland marriage to an Ann that I know of. One to Ann O'Hara in 1850, the other to an Ann Millar in 1852.
The Elizabeth Whitside lady already mentioned was born in Malta in 1862, daughter of George and Ann Pendleton, George was in the 2nd. Battalion, 22nd regiment. It would appear that Elizabeth had a son, for some unknown reason, with surname Pentland, he was called Joshua and I quote, "Private Joshua Pentland, 16424, Royal Irish Fusiliers, from Church View Terrace, Mullavilly, served in both World Wars.  He served in France from 4 October 1915.  On 27 March 1918 he was captured by the Germans and held as a POW until the end of the war.  During the 1920s he served as an Instructor to the 'B' Specials and was stationed at Poyntzpass, Tyrones Ditches, Tandragee and Clare.  He later emigrated to Canada but returned home in 1934 after 5 years.  He died in 1974, aged 84."
Elizabeth Whiteside had a brother also born in Malta, Thomas James Pentland, born 1863.
There was a George Pentland who was stationed in Mauritania in 1851, so it is rather unlikely that this George was the same Georges who married the two Anns in 1850 and 1852.
Perhaps the above George was just another army George Pentland and with no direct connection to the other two Georges above.

David


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Armagh / Pentland - Military
« on: Wednesday 23 November 11 17:03 GMT (UK)  »
Trying to trace the parents of a John Pentland, father James, who married an Anne Pentland in 1886. Both bride and groom came from Drumnakelly in Co. Armagh so rather presume that they were cousins.

One of the witnesses at the wedding was a Thomas George Pentland and as his father was called James, presume that he was John’s brother.

John Pentland was a soldier so perhaps it is not surprising that I can find no trace of him or his family in the census of 1901 and 1911. He may well have been stationed abroad.

Ann’s father was called George and I thought perhaps that she was the child of a George Pentland married to an Anne Miller in 1852, Mullavilly in County Armagh.

Another Pentland soldier also had a father called George, mother also called Ann.
Although his death at the age of 45 in 1916 (see below) would rather indicate that he was a son of George and Ann O’Hara because there is a record of them having a son called William who was born in 1871.


See this  record, 

“Private William Henry Pentland (Married Mary Anne Whitten, (see Carrowbrack 1911 Irish census) 17982, 9th Bn., Royal Irish Fusiliers, who was killed in action during an attack on the village of Beaumont-Hamel on 1 July 1916, aged 45, on the opening day of the Battle of the Somme.  He was born in Aldershot, Hants, the son of George and Ann Pentland, Ballylisk, and he lived at Mary Street, Portadown.
He is buried in Ancre British Cemetery, Beaumont-Hamel, the Somme, and his name is remembered on a headstone in Mullavilly Parish Churchyard, and on the Portadown War Memorial and on the Tandragee War Memorial.”

Rather interesdingly if you search the 1881 census for England you will find more than one Irish born Pentland who had military connections.

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Down / Re: Adam Ferguson married Jane Eliza Coburn
« on: Sunday 12 September 10 13:52 BST (UK)  »

It is just that Elizabeth Jane, after the death of her husband, was living in the townland of Clare in Tullylish parish in 1911. More or less at the same place where other Fergusons, plus related families,  were living in 1901. And I am related to those same families. Perhaps there is a link between them.
And yes, I am asking.

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Down / Re: Adam Ferguson married Jane Eliza Coburn
« on: Sunday 12 September 10 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Does anybody have an explanation for the first name difference reference Adam Ferguson's wife. Was she called Sarah Jane Coburn (or Colburn) or was she called Elizabeth Jane, as she appears to be called in later records.

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Monday 04 January 10 20:56 GMT (UK)  »
I have been looking over some old notes of mine that I made a couple of years ago when I was at PRONI.

Pentlands do not really figure too much in my research. I am connected to George Pentland from Drumnakelly, near Mullavilly in County Armagh, early 19th century and I really do not have much to go on as far as research is concerned.

Anyway the scribbled and now faded notes say the following, please forgive if this is information already known by most of us here.

James, son of Henry and Deborah Pentland, born 27th? March 1823.
David born 4th March 1828, son of John and Ann Pentland, Mullahead, John a farmer.
Elizabeth Catherine Jane?, born 15th June 1827, parents Willian and Rebecca.

Last a Pentleton, Marianne, born 1838?, father George, Drum??

Anybody who has been at PRONI will know how difficult it is to read the films. Also, if you are like me, time is always short and the desire to learn as much as possible in as less time as possible does not always lend itself to the most accurate of information gathering.


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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Tuesday 29 December 09 20:01 GMT (UK)  »
Here is a gmail account. Starts familypentland etc.

How would it work. We all have the password  or/then send emails to the address or leave any information we have in drafts. Quite happy to let people have the password. More than happy to 'upload' the information I have, marriage details, witnesses etc.

Just mail familypentland.

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Saturday 25 July 09 21:37 BST (UK)  »
So if the name changed so much then  that might mean that the John Pendleton who married a Judith Brownlee in Mullavilly CI in 1845 was really a Pentland. One of the witnesses at the wedding was called Thomas Babe and there was also a Thomas Babe who was also a witness at a William Pendleton/Sarah Robinson marriage in 1862  at Mullavilly CI, although in this particular instance William Pendleton, unlike the above,  came from Gilford in Co. Down. And then of course there was a Sarah Pentland who married a John Babe at Mullavilly CI in 1848 and then  they went to live in Gilford, Co. Down.
You could ask the question what came first Pentland or Pendleton or Gilford or Mullavilly.

David

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