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Staffordshire / Re-investigating a long-standing brick wall - TIDESWELL/TIDSWELL
« on: Tuesday 21 April 20 16:38 BST (UK)  »
I have just been given some information from a member here that, whilst not demolishing a long standing brick wall, has certainly put some cracks in it.

The background is my failure to find a birth record for John Tideswell who died in Bonsall, Derbyshire in 1823 "aged 45". I have long suspected, mainly in the basis of names in the family, that he came originally from the Staffordshire moorlands area.  Samuel and Lydia in particular occur fairly often in the family, and as far as I could tell are, before about 1820, unique to Ipstones.  I also know he married Alice Chadwick at Tissington in 1797 - Alice Tideswell died at Bonsall in 1803 "aged 35". This implies she was born 1768, which jars slightly with John's implied birth in 1778.

The new information I have been given is the will of Samuel Tideswell who died at Mansfield in 1845. In it he mentions Samuel Tideswell of Bonsall, framework knitter, who is definitely the son of my John Tideswell. He also refers to his sisters Lydia and Esther and his deceased brother John. Unfortunately he does not define the relationship between Samuel of Bonsall and John, nor his own relationship to Samuel. There are christening records for Ipstones that fit Samuel (of Mansfield) and his sister Lydia, parents Samuel and Hannah. (1766 and 1771 respectively. )There is also a marriage record that matches Esther. I (and the person who kindly supplied the will) have failed to find any christening record for John or Esther. There is an Ipstones christening for John in 1772, but the wrong parents.

So the question is - can anyone find christenings for John and Esther Tidswell ( this variant is more likely than Tideswell ) parents Samuel and Hannah in the era 1760 -1780? I'd also be interested in any potential marriage record for Samuel and Hannah.   

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Inverness / Re: Locating "Ardtraigh" Union Road, Fort William
« on: Thursday 16 April 20 13:55 BST (UK)  »
This is extremely helpful, thankyou. Looking at the map, the list skips past Avondale which appears from Google streeview to be on Cameron Rd, and the Station Hotel entrance is drawn in the same small turning off Union Rd as  Clashfern and Glennan. So it looks like a logical sequence since it would actually be encountered after turning towards Clashfern, Glenan etc. It all implies Ardtraigh is Clashfern. 

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Inverness / Locating "Ardtraigh" Union Road, Fort William
« on: Thursday 16 April 20 09:28 BST (UK)  »
Some of you may have seen via the BBC website the existence of a crowd-sourced project to digitise old UK rainfall records. The bulk of the project ( entering something around 5,000,000 indivifdual data points) was done in a remarkable 3 weeks but work is still being done on locations.

One such, that I am chasing, is for a Colin LIvingston of Fort William. He is widely referenced as living at Ardtraigh and I have traced that as a house on Union Street, from the 1905 Scottish Valuation role. However the name does not seem to appear on any maps, so we wonder if the house was renamed or demolished.  He was the headteacher of the local school, I know that in the 1880s he was living at School House and that that adress is close to the observatory and hence the school. It is though specifically Ardtraigh that is of interest here.

Whilst the location we have is probably enough, it would be good to tie it down.Can anyone cast any light, possibly from the sequence of addresses in the 1901 or 1911 census?

For ease of reference

 https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=56.81397&lon=-5.11660&layers=170&right=BingHyb

shows the house names somewhat later.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Copley of Bredon, Wordestershire
« on: Thursday 20 September 18 14:04 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for you contributions, and my apologies for the spelling mistake in the title.

As is noted the arms on either side fit with the known information about his wives.

I have noted KGarrad's suggestions on the main armorial. They don't fit geographically, but that's part of the challenge.   

As additional info, VCH Worcestershire says Copley bought Bredon in 1571. I have seen somewhere in a comment relating to the purchase that he was of Bedings in Suffolk. That is repeated in the pedigree in the Visitation of Worcestershire 1569 (Harleian Soc Vol 27) where his father is given as of "Bedings [for Bedingfield] in "Suff."

I do however wonder if Bedings might instead be Woolbeding in Sussex which would possibly fit better geographically. It would not be the first time "Suff" for Sussex became Suffolk. I need to check the original Harleian manuscripts and the Patent Roll ref given by VCH.

Finally I must warn everone that whilst there is much data on early Copley pedigrees, much of it is unsubstantiated rubbish! I've also seen it said, as I dig around on this particular topic, that Thomas Copley went to America with Raleigh and is responsible for introducing the potato to the Vale of Evesham. 

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Copley of Bredon, Wordestershire
« on: Sunday 16 September 18 16:03 BST (UK)  »
I'd like to understand how the Copleys of Bredon, Worcestershire fit into the wider family which is predominantly Yorkshire and Surrey.  Can anyone help by casting light on the armorials on this plaque of 1593 in Bredon Church. The Cross Moline is Copley, it's the others I would like pointers for.


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World War Two / Re: RAF AMES 504 Dingli Cliff Malta
« on: Friday 05 May 17 21:44 BST (UK)  »
Bill

PM sent

John

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World War Two / Re: RAF AMES 504 Dingli Cliff Malta
« on: Monday 01 May 17 17:08 BST (UK)  »
Bill

Discovered this thread during an initial trawl investigating AMES on Malta in which my father served. I have a photo album which contains about 30 photos of 233, 283 and 314 AMES. They are mainly personnel. 314 is specifically described as St Paul's Bay and there is a (fairly poor quality) site photo.

I've attached the best as a sampler.

For reference, album also cover 233 in Habbaniya, Iraq, 1942 and 283 Syracuse Italy 1943.

 

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Derbyshire / Re: marriage in two churches
« on: Sunday 05 March 17 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
There may be a simpler explanation - data error. Looking at FS, the St Werburgh entry is from early indexing with a batch number starting with M. Those have over the years proved pretty reliable. The Christ Church entry appears to be more recent. I am afraid that I have found that these later sets of indexes do sometimes contain errors, for example they are listed as the wrong parish, or Banns are indexed as marriages.  I'd check that Christ Church entry.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Mary Copley c1831
« on: Monday 10 October 16 14:46 BST (UK)  »
It's some years since I went over this, but I think your original interpretation is correct, ie Mary is the illegitimate daughter of the Eliza Copley who later married Thomas Marriott. I'd not previously seen Sunflower's information of a Mary Mariott burial but that is consistent with Thomas remarrying later in 1834, and with Ann being the daughter of Thomas and Mary.

The next generation back on the Copley side is also problematic. There apear to be 3 Elizabeth Copley baptisms, children of (1) William & Mary, 1805, (2) William & Ann, 1812 (it's the same Williiam) and (3) William & Ann, 1817 but a multiple baptism so possibly born earlier. I have never found a death for (1), but I believe (2) is the wife of Thomas Marriott and (3) married Samuel Wright in 1833. This last is supported by 1841 census data giving her birth year as 1815.

William is my 5g uncle

 

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