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Hello Banjo Bill, your Kezia is sister to my grandfather Thomas Goldsmith.   I have Kezia born in 1853, Sheerness and Isaac in 1852, Milton.  They married in the Parish Church, Sittingbourne on Dec.25 1872. Isaac's father was William Henry Stone, Lic. Victualler. 
Kezia (have seen spelled Keziah and Thurza or misread as that) was the daughter of Sarah Stone and Moses Goldsmith.   I haven't come across your William Henry Stone.  I expect you have read the previous chat on this subject, you could have a look at an earlier subject Goldsmiths of Hellingly/Stones of Hythe for more on Kezia's family.
Best wishes, Beeb/Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: goldsmith hughes johnson family in kent probable travellers
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 11:19 BST (UK)  »
Hiya cousin Shane, about Henry Elgar could he be just a member of the church and not related at all ?  I have other instances of that happening, but it is possible that John Reed was acquainted at least with the Stones or Goldsmiths as I seem to recall you knew there were traveller Reeds.  You would need to see whether Henry Elgar regularly witnessed marriages to confirm or not.
Hope all the family are well Shane and my best wishes to them and of course to all researchers on this topic.
Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: goldsmith hughes johnson family in kent probable travellers
« on: Monday 11 October 10 07:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi to all, I made a mistake on my post above, Joseph Gess's father was Michael.
At Ashford St. Mary, Kent, on 9th Nov. 1840, Diana Stone of full age, spinster of North Street, daughter of Thomas Stone, hawker married Joseph Gess, of full age, hawker, bachelor of North St., son of MICHAEL Gess (not Henry), hawker.  Witnesses Henry Elgar and William Elgar.
In 1861 Diana 45 says she was born Hythe and Joseph 50, says born Rye.
In 1871 at Gladstone Terrace, Sittingbourne, niece Sarah A Roberts is staying with Diana and Joseph, she is the daughter of Adam Roberts and Priscilla Frances nee Stone. Priscilla is the sister of Diana, my ggm. Sarah, Richard, William, Thomas and Eleanor.

Hope the above is helpful.
Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: goldsmith hughes johnson family in kent probable travellers
« on: Tuesday 05 October 10 06:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi to all those reseaching these lines.   I am related to the Goldsmiths, my gf being Thomas Goldsmith son of Moses Goldsmith and Sarah Stone.   Nel it was Kezia Goldsmith who married Richard Stone.   Rebekah,  Diana (sister of Sarah Stone) and Joseph Gess are my great Aunt and Uncle.   I think Joseph's father was Henry Gess.
Best wishes
Brenda in Australia

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Travelling People / Re: Stephen Baker/Rossiter 1881/1891
« on: Tuesday 05 October 10 06:37 BST (UK)  »
Saw on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mrawson/newspaper2.html#week10  mention of "John Baker a gipsy arrested for murder  Finchley Wood 7/4"   This was in the Kentish Express and Ashford News at the above link.   Hope that is of interest to someone with a Baker ancestor.
There are other Bakers mentioned but this the only gypsy one.
Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: Goldsmiths of Hellingly/Stones of Hythe
« on: Thursday 04 March 10 09:43 GMT (UK)  »
Greetings to All.   Nel that is right, you jogged my memory, Roger Baker was looking for the George Baker and Sarah King ancestry, then suddenly it all kicked off and he was into the Scamps.   He had a website, but I haven't been able to find it.   It would have been very useful to Scamp researchers.
Shane thanks for DNA input, doesn't seem all that worthwhile yet.   I would be interested in my Baker side, but I would need my brother to agree to the test, he is 85, he is my only link now to our father's DNA and as his only child, a  son, is deceased with no heirs, he isn't interested in genealogy.   As my DNA appears to be, as far as I can understand, accessible through my sons and daughters I don't have to worry yet.   I hope I have understood and that it goes children's mother's mother and so on, but daughter's can only do mother's not father's because of a male's Y chromosome.    I've had a look at a couple of sites to get this info, but I might not have got it right as it seems pretty complicated.   It has been said that mum is missing some marbles !!!
Well I hope that a lovely Spring is just round the corner for you,
Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: Goldsmiths of Hellingly/Stones of Hythe
« on: Tuesday 02 March 10 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
Good to hear from you Shane.   We could do with some rain here in South Australia, flooding in Queensland, but not a drop here.
I meant to ask before, is your Stephen Baker related at all to Roger Baker's travelling family which includes Scamps ?   I wrote to him, pre computers, for a long while, he was searching for Bakers in Canterbury and so was I, he was very good in giving me census details of my Bakers, we never found a connection and I have no knowledge that mine were travellers, my Stephen was an Ag.lab in Hoath before moving to Canterbury, his father John was likewise but born in Herne as was his father.   While in Canterbury some of my Stephen's sons were hawkers as youngsters, but I think it was just a job they could do to earn a bob or two.   Oddly my gf Albert Baker was a partner in a  Marine Store which also appears as a Gypsy occupation,in Sittingbourne, but no suggestion he was a traveller.
I've been reading up, but none the wiser, about DNA tests and wondering whether it might be worthwhile having done, have you any thoughts on these tests ?   Has anyone reading this thread had it done and was it worth it ?  I'd be glad of any information.
Best wishes Shane and to all,
Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: Goldsmiths of Hellingly/Stones of Hythe
« on: Friday 26 February 10 05:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi to all, this subject seems to have gone cold - is it the weather ???   Did you manage to get to Sussex yet Shane or has the snow kept you home - I wouldn't blame you for that.   I have moved to new house and pretty much settled in now.   Nothing further on our search for ancestors of Moses Goldsmith and Sarah Stone sadly, but let us hope that this year we can dig up a few more ancestors.
With best wishes for 2010 to all,
Brenda

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Travelling People / Re: Goldsmiths of Hellingly/Stones of Hythe
« on: Wednesday 11 November 09 07:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Shane, thanks for that information.   Look I don't think you would really enjoy temps like  the 39 degrees today, but if I could bottle some heat I would send it to you.
I went to see owners of my next home today,  the wife mentioned that she had lived in many previous houses and moved around a lot, I said you must have a touch of Gypsy in you and could have fallen over backward when she said "well I do, my family are Boswells".  I thought I was joking, so was very surprised, I told her that I also had Travellers in my family so we had an extra hug for that.   She also thought I had a slight similarity to her mother, but that might just have been shape of face and grey hair !!
By the way I say "Travellers" because I am not sure if the Stones are Rom, can you confirm that Shane ?
Sending "warmest" greetings,
Brenda

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