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Berkshire / Re: CHENEY/ CHEYNEY in Abingdon, 1700-1800?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 18:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks, that is very helpful. It would have taken forever to find that marriage without you!
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Berkshire / Re: CHENEY/ CHEYNEY in Abingdon, 1700-1800?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 15:18 BST (UK) »
Yes that is the same letter. I will have to double (triple) check the copies we have but from memory the part about "them four I had when I was home" is unclear and I initially read it as her birthing a child when home. Thanks for looking and for being so kind about the Bedlam reference, I like interesting ancestors but not everyone feels the same! I hope that Elizabeth senior was exaggerating her circumstances and that she had a little more family support than she was letting on.
Thankfully her second letter mentions "Then I have to add concerning my boys there is a factory setting on and it is going on with lace and silk so that the children must appear clean and decent and the gentlemen have promised to employ my two children if I could get some clothes for them ..." And history does indeed show the twins became lace makers.
Thankfully her second letter mentions "Then I have to add concerning my boys there is a factory setting on and it is going on with lace and silk so that the children must appear clean and decent and the gentlemen have promised to employ my two children if I could get some clothes for them ..." And history does indeed show the twins became lace makers.
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Berkshire / Re: CHENEY/ CHEYNEY in Abingdon, 1700-1800?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 13:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your response DebbieG. 
The three letters were found by a researcher in Oxfordshire, I don't know exactly what the 'brief' was because my aunt organised it - pior to that we had been stuck for 25 years, unable to get our CHINA/ CHAINEY family out of Devon. The copy letters we have are all written from Tiverton and are dated June 1st 1816, November 1st 1816 and December 28th 1816. They are full of information so it's exciting to know more may have survived, I would love to know what is said about John! This is from the June letter which does indicate there was ongoing communication
"I am sorry to trouble you as I do which --- not do Did you but send my pay regular[?] every two months as you promised me and now I have ten weeks pay due to me and I am in great distress for the want of it as I have such a family and no labour at all to do for me nor my family
Neither have I a friend in the world that can help me to a morsel of bread so what I can do in this distressed situation I do not know but this I know if you do not advance me something more than two shillings per week I can not do with it and I hope you will be sure to send it regular but if other ways I shall be forced to send to the Magistrate concerning it or be brought home with my family. I have had a letter from my sister in London and she tells me that my husband is still in a state of --- and no view of him getting any better so he is still in Bedlam so if you do mistrust what I have said you can send for further satisfaction"
Thomas CHAINEY and Elizabeth (nee HATSWELL) married in Tiverton in 1800 and their first child Elizabeth was baptised the same day. We initially wondered if Thomas had got a Devon girl pregnant, gone away with the militia before returning to marry her. Then, like you, I was intrigued by her reference to 'home' which she repeats in the June letter (above) and that she says she has no friends. It is *possible* she and Thomas lived in Abingdon for a while, because the Berkshire Militia disembodied at Reading in 1802 and re-embodied in 1803. Maybe that would be enough for Elizabeth to call it home?
Also there are very few HATSWELLs on the IGI for Berkshire. There are HATSWELLs on the IGI for Tiverton, including an Elizabeth c.1779 daughter of James and Mary. I have not taken this any further as yet.
Thanks again for your interest!
The three letters were found by a researcher in Oxfordshire, I don't know exactly what the 'brief' was because my aunt organised it - pior to that we had been stuck for 25 years, unable to get our CHINA/ CHAINEY family out of Devon. The copy letters we have are all written from Tiverton and are dated June 1st 1816, November 1st 1816 and December 28th 1816. They are full of information so it's exciting to know more may have survived, I would love to know what is said about John! This is from the June letter which does indicate there was ongoing communication"I am sorry to trouble you as I do which --- not do Did you but send my pay regular[?] every two months as you promised me and now I have ten weeks pay due to me and I am in great distress for the want of it as I have such a family and no labour at all to do for me nor my family
Neither have I a friend in the world that can help me to a morsel of bread so what I can do in this distressed situation I do not know but this I know if you do not advance me something more than two shillings per week I can not do with it and I hope you will be sure to send it regular but if other ways I shall be forced to send to the Magistrate concerning it or be brought home with my family. I have had a letter from my sister in London and she tells me that my husband is still in a state of --- and no view of him getting any better so he is still in Bedlam so if you do mistrust what I have said you can send for further satisfaction"
Thomas CHAINEY and Elizabeth (nee HATSWELL) married in Tiverton in 1800 and their first child Elizabeth was baptised the same day. We initially wondered if Thomas had got a Devon girl pregnant, gone away with the militia before returning to marry her. Then, like you, I was intrigued by her reference to 'home' which she repeats in the June letter (above) and that she says she has no friends. It is *possible* she and Thomas lived in Abingdon for a while, because the Berkshire Militia disembodied at Reading in 1802 and re-embodied in 1803. Maybe that would be enough for Elizabeth to call it home?
Also there are very few HATSWELLs on the IGI for Berkshire. There are HATSWELLs on the IGI for Tiverton, including an Elizabeth c.1779 daughter of James and Mary. I have not taken this any further as yet.
Thanks again for your interest!
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Berkshire / Re: CHENEY/ CHEYNEY in Abingdon, 1700-1800?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 11:20 BST (UK) »
I just looked at Google maps and there is a Northcourt Road very close to St Nicholas, at one end is Northcourt itself and at the other end is Cheyney Walk! Can't imagine it was named for these labouring branch tho, maybe after the wealthier members of the family. 
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Berkshire / Re: CHENEY/ CHEYNEY in Abingdon, 1700-1800?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 10:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for your help, and so quickly! 
The age for the Thomas looks right for a 1800 marriage and it's encouraging you don't list an infant burial for him. Thomas and Elizabeth's children were Elizabeth, Thomas and William (twins), James (?Eliz. father's name?), Mary (died), Henry (died) and another boy (possibly John m 1832 Barnstaple). There may well have been other children who didn't survive, because there are large gaps between births and they were a mobile militia family.
My reservations: if the family were living in St Helens, I wonder why Elizabeth wrote to the overseer of St Nicholas? In her Nov 1816 letter Elizabeth refers to visiting Abingdon when she already had James (c. May 1807, Portsmouth) " ... the next is James He is nine next may them four I had when I was home which is now in the tenth year since and since that time I have had one boy and he is now in his third year ..." which is after both John and Hannah had died. But I suppose they would not hear of the parents funerals until after the event, if they were travelling with the militia or down in Devon?
Thanks again!
The age for the Thomas looks right for a 1800 marriage and it's encouraging you don't list an infant burial for him. Thomas and Elizabeth's children were Elizabeth, Thomas and William (twins), James (?Eliz. father's name?), Mary (died), Henry (died) and another boy (possibly John m 1832 Barnstaple). There may well have been other children who didn't survive, because there are large gaps between births and they were a mobile militia family.My reservations: if the family were living in St Helens, I wonder why Elizabeth wrote to the overseer of St Nicholas? In her Nov 1816 letter Elizabeth refers to visiting Abingdon when she already had James (c. May 1807, Portsmouth) " ... the next is James He is nine next may them four I had when I was home which is now in the tenth year since and since that time I have had one boy and he is now in his third year ..." which is after both John and Hannah had died. But I suppose they would not hear of the parents funerals until after the event, if they were travelling with the militia or down in Devon?
Thanks again!
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Berkshire / CHENEY/ CHEYNEY in Abingdon, 1700-1800?
« on: Wednesday 13 June 12 07:42 BST (UK) »
I am looking for any ancestors of my Thomas CHAINEY of the Berkshire Militia who married in Devon in 1800. After 1800 we have two baptisms (CHAINEY, CHENEY), two possible infant burials (CHANEY, CHENEY) copies of three letters from his wife Elizabeth CHINEY to the overseer of St Nicholas, Abingdon regarding her 'pay' (relief). There are CHENEYs and CHEYNEYs in Abingdon and in adjacent Radley from at least the 1600s so I am hopeful of eventually linking them up to our Thomas. I have seen many other spelling variations of the surname - my Devon branch ended up as CHINA! 
Any information from the Abingdon parish registers would be gratefully received, I have no idea how the transcriptions are indexed nor how many entries there are so even telling me there are far too many to copy and paste would be helpful! I am on a very tight budget so can't afford to purchase the transcriptions to discover I am 'barking up the wrong tree' so to speak.
Thank you!
Any information from the Abingdon parish registers would be gratefully received, I have no idea how the transcriptions are indexed nor how many entries there are so even telling me there are far too many to copy and paste would be helpful! I am on a very tight budget so can't afford to purchase the transcriptions to discover I am 'barking up the wrong tree' so to speak.
Thank you!
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Armed Forces / Re: Militia Families 1800+
« on: Tuesday 12 June 12 11:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your reply Ermin, strangely enough I had just revisited this branch after two years! We already have copies of three letters from the mother in Tiverton in Devon to the home parish of Abingdon in Berkshire, but these were applying for relief only once the father was in Bedlam. Would dearly love to fill in the blanks and work out where the family were between 1800 and 1816 and where at least some of the children were baptised.
We already have copies of three letters from the mother in Tiverton in Devon to the home parish of Abingdon in Berkshire, but these were applying for relief only once the father was in Bedlam. Would dearly love to fill in the blanks and work out where the family were between 1800 and 1816 and where at least some of the children were baptised.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: 1891, 1901 l/u, please - Burrill
« on: Thursday 12 August 10 01:26 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid I can't be much use as I haven't researched the Burrills for many years and all my paperwork is inaccessible. If memory serves me correctly your Richard Burrill was my grandmother's grandfather. My grandmother's name was Ethel Gardiner (d/o Joseph Henry Burrill), she remained in Bramley, worked as an the same industry and had just one sibling, Mabel.
I believe I gave up trying to trace the Wood line as there were just too many of them, hope you have better luck! I will rack my brains or try to access my paperwork if you have any queries you think I might be able to assist with?
My grandmother's name was Ethel Gardiner (d/o Joseph Henry Burrill), she remained in Bramley, worked as an the same industry and had just one sibling, Mabel.I believe I gave up trying to trace the Wood line as there were just too many of them, hope you have better luck! I will rack my brains or try to access my paperwork if you have any queries you think I might be able to assist with?
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Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests / Re: Portsmouth/ Portsea 1800+ CHENEY
« on: Tuesday 23 June 09 21:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for looking. If they are all 'ours' then the family looks like this:
1799 Elizabeth (bap. 1800)
April 1806 Thomas & William
May 1807 James
1808 Mary (d. Jan 1813)
End 1813 Henry (d. Dec 1814)
1814 Male
I've tried to work backwards to conception (!) and each fit in with when we think Thomas CHAINEY was posted on the south coast, going by the book on the history of the Berkshire Militia. I am thinking it's worthwhile employing professionals in each county for an hour or so to see we can root out any child baptised in barracks towns.
1799 Elizabeth (bap. 1800)
April 1806 Thomas & William
May 1807 James
1808 Mary (d. Jan 1813)
End 1813 Henry (d. Dec 1814)
1814 Male
I've tried to work backwards to conception (!) and each fit in with when we think Thomas CHAINEY was posted on the south coast, going by the book on the history of the Berkshire Militia. I am thinking it's worthwhile employing professionals in each county for an hour or so to see we can root out any child baptised in barracks towns.