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Hi Designer Jeans
 What a brilliant find on FindmyPast.Thankyou so much for alerting me and  I found it.

 I did Latin at school many dcades ago and I cannot transcribe.  if you copy iit and send via private email  I do know someone who might be able to transcribe for us.

My son downloaded the Indenture document onto Ancestry.  It is quite useful to compare that and  John's will. Israel's brother.   One of his comments is as follows:
 In addition to his "sonne" Israel, Thomas also lists his "daughters",  Ann Cotton, wife of Richard Cotton (or is it Calton?) and Elizabeth Lod.

This fits with John Cantrill's will where parts of his estate to his nephews John Cantrill son of Israel, and nephew John Cotton. John Cotton is his Aunt Ann's son!

There is another daughter for us to follow up on, Elizabeth Lod. She is mentioned twice and it looks like Lod but I am not sure about the 'd'.


I am inot convinced Lod is correct but am still investigating. What do you think it is?

My son now has ambitions to try to take the Cantrill line we share with you back further....More wwork...

Many thanks again. for an invaluable piece of information.

cheers, Marp

Many, many thanks for this piece of information Designer Jeans.  Sorry I have not responded sooner and I owe you an apology by sticking to the erroneous piece  of information regarding the  parents of israel, John and Rachel. 

Thanks also for the South Wingfield hint.  I have learnt that FindmyPast is very useful provided you give correct information!!

I am now putting to rights my family tree regarding the Cantrills of Ashover in the 1600s.  I hope no more mistakes are made. 

Cheere, marp

Hi,

 John Cantrill  was Baptised in Ashover on 8 November 1663.  He was the son of John and Elizabeth. It also made sense as he was the eldest son born after the marriage of John and Elizabeth and so named after his father.
I agree John is a pretty common name and likely to crop up in many families.  Just look it up and you will find it.

Basically your argument is because you found a baptism for Rachel with different parents than the known baptism of John (son of John and Elizabeth").   I do not wish to be too argumentative but both you and I need more evidence - proof has not been established..

Rereading John Cantrill's will it is quite obvious Rachel married someone called Hurt - no sign of a Hunt, it is an 'r".   If you look at baptism records you see the same thing not Hunt but Hurt. I knew a Hurtt family when I was growing up in Derbyshire....

More work - both of us have relied on one naptism not two and it is not enough.

Cheers, Marp

Hi,

The will of John Cantrill  the miner has been invaluable for sorting out relationships with Israel  Cantrill born  around 1660/61  who is my direct ancestor.

 We know from John Cantrill's will that Israel is his brother.   Israel born about 1660/61.   John Cantrill and Elizabeth Birkes are the parents pf his siblings so i am assuming they are Israel's parents too.  John Cantrill and Elizabeth Birkes were married in Ashover on 14 September 1662.  Their marriage certificate indicates  both  were of Ashover.  Elizabeth was certainly born there of John there is some doubt.

We have something of a mystery here in that Israel's baptism cannot be found so far.  He was probably born prior to the marriage of father John and wife Elizabeth Birkes.  Has he a different mother? Was he baptised by a Dissenting cleric and the baptism not registered?

Who  is John Cantrill the father of Israel?   We know that the 1670 Hearth Tax Records indicate  a John Cantrill of Ashover had one Hearth.  One piece of information which may be speculative  is that he was born in Repton about 1640 his father also being John and his mother an Ann Brookes.
The family tree still needs work!

Any information would be welcome.

Thanks, marp


 

Thank you Spendlove and David for your comments.  i checked Troth Wall's will and came to the conclusion that her name was TROTH.   There seem to be a number i people with that name during thus period in Derbyshire.

David .
I looked at Thomas Toundrow's  will prepared  23 May 1639 aand finalised for  the inventory and probate 3 June  1640. I presume Thomas Toundow of Ashover died possibly in May 1640.  As i mentioned before this will  is a dificult will to read.  My son helped me and what we found was not helpful to our speculation regarding Troath Toundrow baptised Ashover 22 Sept 1622 parents Thomas and Rosamnde).   
In the will.
1)  Thomas mentioned his lovong wife Elizabeth.  I take it Troath's mother Rosamunde had died.
2) Thomas  referred to "my children" not naming them but did implyibg  that they were under age and it mentioned getting their inheritance by age 16.
3) Thomas refers to his two bothers named George and William.

So not much progress thee.   I thinks some of the  Toundrow family stayed in Ashover..  Forty  three years later another Troth Toundrow was paptised in Ashover on 27 February 1665 parents William and Susana. 
 
Unless i can recover some new information I think I am not going to solve who Troth Wall'sparents were.  Any suggestions and help would be appreciated.

marp
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