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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Tuesday 23 November 21 03:20 GMT (UK)  »
Lot’s of Gold’s indeed!  I have yet to piece them all together.  You did uncover a couple ‘Gems’ though.

I did not have record of Andrew Gold MILLAR, Muirkirk, aged 9 months.   John MILLAR b.1843 d.1879 and Rebecca Kilpatrick Muir b.1847 d.1886 both passed away in Ayrshire; however, all of the children I had record of (outside of the above Andrew) were born in Carluke, Lanarkshire.

I also did not have record of the 1907 still born child of George Gold & Janet Lawson.

Of the Waterloo Gold’s you referenced, only Thomas Halliday GOLD & Agnes French BLACKLEY fall within my family branch.  Thomas and Agnes are my paternal Great Grandparents. 

I have traced back all of the other Gold lines you referenced and they all converge on Douglas, Lanarkshire (including mine).   While I am 99.9% sure these Gold lines are all somehow related, I am not able to connect the other Douglas, Lanarkshire Gold’s to my Andrew GOLD and Elizabeth WEIR b. abt 17449 d.1823 as any connection pre-dates 1750’s.  Perhaps one Day I will have a DNA match with one of these distant Gold branches which will allow me to piece together this puzzle.

Thank you again for your time and the abundance of information.

Art

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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Monday 22 November 21 23:57 GMT (UK)  »
So many facts to cross reference… it will take me a while to comb through everything.

Here are a few items that stood out upon initial review…

Susan DOUGLAS b. 1823 d.1904 had three husbands.  Hugh CLARKSON m. 1838;  Robert David GRAY m. 1840; George GOLD m.1856.

There are a number of cases where multiple family members married into same families which I'm sure causes much confusion.  For example:

Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844 married Isabella MORTON b. abt1813 d.1840 and then Andrew’s sister Elizabeth GOLD b.1816 d.1886 married William MORTON b.1807 d.1864.   Isabella MORTON and William MORTON were siblings.   This is why there is so much cross over between the GOLD’s and MORTON’s.

Then there was George GOLD b.1846 d.1918 who married Christina ALLAN b.1851 d.1903 and then George’s bother Robert GOLD b.1850 d.1922 married Margaret ALLAN b.1855 d.1899.   Margaret ALLAN was Christina ALLAN’s niece.  This is why there is so much cross over between the GOLD’s and ALLAN’s.

Then to confuse things even further, Archibald GOLD b.1843 d.1906 married Elizabeth RUSSELL b.1848 d.? and then Archibald’s brother John GOLD b.1853 d.1885 married Henrietta RUSSELL b.1852 d.abt1925.  Elizabeth and Henrietta were siblings. 

It is insane how intertwined the families of Cambusnethan are.  In fact, I discovered that my wife also has family which originate from Cambusnethan and “Yes” my wife and I are related through the marriage of Andrew Clarkson GOLD b. 1892 d.? and Elizabeth CUMMING b.1890 d.1961.

Thank you again for everyone’s insights.

Art

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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Sunday 21 November 21 19:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

Thank you again for all the information you have uncovered.  Andrew Halliday GOLD b.1841 d.1900 was the first born son of George GOLD and Mary HALLIDAY.  Andrew married Alice Quin b.abt 1856 (Ireland) d.1924 in 1886 in Cambusnethan. 

Robert GOLD b.1850 d.1922 (Brother of the above Andrew Halliday GOLD) married Margaret ALLAN b.1855 d.1899 in 1874.   After the death of Margaret ALLAN, Robert moved to Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada where his son Willian Allan GOLD was at the time.  Robert GOLD passed away in 1922 (Winnipeg, MB).  William Allan GOLD eventually moved to Vancouver, BC Canada.

Thank you again for sharing all this information.

Art

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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Saturday 20 November 21 19:08 GMT (UK)  »
Wow Lodger!!  You have gone above and beyond!  Thank you.

It is unfortunate that CH3 1219/2 Deaths only covers the period 1835 - 1846 as Mary's death would have been much later than this. I was able to locate death records for her husband George GOLD b.1814 d.1858 (death just a few years after Mary) and all of George GOLD's siblings (Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844, Elizabeth GOLD b1816 d.1886 and Rebecca GOLD b.1818 d.1892) but records for Mary HALLIDAY seem to have disappeared into a vortex.  It makes one think that some records must have been destroyed or misplaced.

Thanks again for all your insights.

Art

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Lanarkshire / Re: Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Friday 19 November 21 00:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the insight GR2.   

George's father, Andrew GOLD b.1970 d.1857 is listed throughout the Minutes of Committee to Raise Funds for the Building of the Church 1822-1824 (NAS CH3/1219/1) When viewing the minutes, I noticed that within the minutes there were 4-5 baptismal records on Pg14 so as you say it is not impossible that there is a reference to a marriage in the subsequent minutes.  Perhaps NAS CH3/1219/2 holds the key to the Marry HALLIDAY puzzle.

Thanks again!

Art

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Lanarkshire / Wishaw Relief Church Records
« on: Thursday 18 November 21 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I am attempting to find marriage and death records for Mary HALLIDAY b. 1815.  Mary HALLIDAY married George GOLD b.1814 d.1858 in about 1841 and Mary's death was between 1853 and 1856.  I was able to find birth records for all of their children in the Wishaw Relief Church Baptismal Register 1831-1864 (NAS CH3/1219/6) and I am wondering if anyone knows if the Wishaw Relieve Church kept any Marriage or Death records.

Thank you for your time.

Art

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« on: Thursday 02 December 10 03:20 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Everyone,

I did some digging 'down under' and uncovered the following obituary:

The Sydney Morning Herald: Tuesday 25 June 1946 (Pg.14)
GOLD - June 22, 1946. Janet beloved widow of Nat Gold, formerly of Carluke Scotland, loved mother of Effie (Mrs. McDougall), Natalie, Andrew, Heather (daughter-in-law) Archie (son-in-law, deceased). Dear grand-mother of Maureen and Maurice, and great-grandmother of Helen. Aged 75 years. Privately interred June 24, 1946

So it would seem that Effie married a unnamed McDougall and Natalie married an Archie (last name unknown) who was deceased by 1946... or perhaps Effie was married to an Archie McDougall and Natalie was unmarried  :-\

The search continues... but the gap is closing :)

Arthur

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« on: Monday 29 November 10 23:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hello VJ,

Here’s some information which you may already have...

Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844 married Isabella MORTON b.~1813 d.1840.  Andrew and Isabella had two  (2) children... Andrew GOLD b.~1837 d.1898 and Isabella Morton GOLD b.1839 d.1901. Isabella Morton GOLD married Richard Blackwood CAMPBELL in 1858.  Isabella and Richard had six (6) children... John CAMBELL b.1859, Andrew CAMBELL b.1861, Richard CAMPBELL b.1864 d.1944, Isabella Morton CAMBELL b.1866, Robert Muir CAMPBELL b.1874 d.1951 & George Ronie Oman CAMPBELL b.1884 d.1927.  Ironically, Robert Muir CAMPBELL also moved to Australia.

Here’s some information you may not have...

Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844 was the son of Andrew GOLD b.1790 d.1857 and Rebecca Kilpatrick b.~1790 d.1867.  Andrew and Rebecca had four children... Andrew GOLD b.1812 d.1844, George GOLD b.1814 d.1858, Elizabeth GOLD b.1816 d.1886 & Rebecca GOLD b.1818 d.1892.  I am a descendant of George GOLD b.1814 d.1858.

Andrew GOLD b.1790 d.1857 was the son of Andrew GOLD (Coal Miner) and Elizabeth WEIR b.~1749 d.1823.  Andrew and Elizabeth married in 1789 in Douglas, Lanarkshire. This is my dead end...

I have documented the numerous off shoots of the family so just let me know how far you want to take your research and I’ll provide you with a ‘data dump’.

I hope you find this information useful.

Talk to you soon.

Arthur R. Gold

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Nathaniel GOLD b.1868 d.1940 Sydney, NSW, Australia *COMPLETED*
« on: Monday 29 November 10 22:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Veryjelly and Allan,

This has been the most active *COMPLETED* topic I have ever seen...   Like Allan, I’m not sure why Nathaniel would have left for Australia... except for the simple fact that his son Andrew lived there...  I’m sure climate also played a factor... we may never know.

Getting back to Nathalie and Euphemia, I received the 1946 G.R.O. marriage record for Effie M. Gold and Frederick G. Leveridge... Unfortunately, it was not the Effie we are looking for as the father on the marriage record is listed as William Emmanuel Gold (G.P.O. Inspector, Retired)... I guess I better get back to combing through records :-[

Like Allan, I would be very interested in knowing if you have had contact with Andrew Gold b.1924 as I have some unsolved family mysteries (pre 1800’s)  which I am trying to solve... perhaps Andrew holds the key?

Thank you for your time and kind considerations.

Arthur R. Gold

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