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Lancashire / Re: meaning of 'scholar at home' 1851 Great Crosby
« on: Saturday 09 January 16 23:04 GMT (UK)  »
Peter and Carole,
Thank you for these new responses. It's possible that the census requirements in Victoria were based on English ones in the early days. I found an English explanation which said only that children receiving regular tuition were to be classed as scholars. I've concluded that the phrase, "scholars at home," may mean that this school literally was a home for these children as their father was in New South Wales, and their mother could be deceased, as I haven't located her in 1851, nor her death at any time. Mary Chadwick is a common name in Lancashire. It's an ongoing quest.

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Lancashire / Re: meaning of 'scholar at home' 1851 Great Crosby
« on: Wednesday 01 June 11 03:02 BST (UK)  »
Viktoria and Carole, your responses corroborate what I was thinking. Matilda Watson was widowed in 1842 which probably led to her starting her small school. It could be she knew the Chadwick family from her time in Ashton-under-Lyne and they sent the children to her. I think it very likely that their mother, Mary Chadwick, had died by that time. I've searched for her death but the three likely certificates I bought all turned out to be the wrong person so I need to do more searching there.

Many thanks for your help.

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Lancashire / meaning of 'scholar at home' 1851 Great Crosby
« on: Tuesday 31 May 11 17:55 BST (UK)  »
What is the meaning of 'scholar at home' when the child is not living with family?

In 1851 my great grandfather, Edward CHADWICK, 10, and his sister Elizabeth, 12, were at 1 Adelaide Terrace, Great Crosby. Head of the household was Matilda Watson, schoolmistress. Also at the address were Matilda Smith, niece, 19, 'scholar boarder,' and John Leigh, 6. All three children were classed as 'scholar at home,' in the occupation column. Edward and Elizabeth were from Ashton-under-Lyne, where their large extended family, fairly affluent millowners, lived. Their father was overseas and mother Mary not yet located in 1851. She may be deceased, doesn't appear in Great Crosby or A-u-L and isn't with father. Matilda Watson was in A-u-L in 1841 but isn't related as far as I know.

Would 'scholar at home' mean simply that the children lived with Matilda Watson and were taught by her? Is there a difference between 'scholar boarder' and 'scholar at home' other than age?

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I've been looking back at my Veevers notes. In the 1901 census Robert Veevers was a boarder at 26 Whalley St. with Robert and Martha Heyes and their one-year-old daughter. This could be Robert's sister Martha and her husband Robert Heyes. Martha Heyes' year of birth, 1875, fits with that of Robert's sister. Martha's sister, my grandmother, lived a few doors away on the same street.

I have a copy of Alfred Veevers' will, written in April 1917 and proved in August 1918. Robert was a beneficiary along with his remaining nine siblings. One sister died earlier and her children benefitted.

This indicates that Robert was on good terms with his family, and was alive in 1918.

I had tried searching for him in passenger lists in case he left England for a while but so far without success.

Joan

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That's right, Valda. As far as I know, Thomas Veevers has no connection with my Veevers family.

Joan

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I looked at the 1901 census for Edith and according to it, her four youngest children, aged 5, 4, 3 and 2, were born in Barrowford, Nelson, Blackpool and Cornholme respectively.

Did Edith and Robert Veevers move around so much?

I've been trying to find Robert in the 1891 census for a long time, without success. I have all the other Veevers siblings, ten of them.

Joan


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I've just picked up on this thread and am reading it with interest. Alfred Veevers and Sarah Jane Hurst were my great grandparents. Their daughter Ann, born five years after Robert, was my Grannie.

I've been trying to trace Robert and had the same 1911 census enumeration at Rake Head farm, but wasn't sure if I had the correct Robert. Sarah, Mary and James are all names in the Veevers family. James Veevers was the father of Alfred, and Mary was Robert's sister who died as a young adult.

Thanks for posting the information from the marriage certificate of Robert and Edith, and to others who posted information. It's very helpful. Alfred was a greengrocer in Abel Street, Burnley, and I have documentation on some others in the family.

Joan

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Lancashire / Re: Marriage Licence
« on: Wednesday 31 March 10 04:13 BST (UK)  »
As far as I know, an allegation stated that there were no impediments to the marriage, and the parties were not breaking Canon Law. There was probably no chance of the 500 pounds actually having to be paid in this case. But yes, it was a lot of money to pledge!

Good luck with your search.

Joan

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Lancashire / Re: Marriage Licence
« on: Tuesday 30 March 10 15:45 BST (UK)  »
Hello Eric,

These two documents are different. The 1801 document is an allegation, I think. The bridegroom and a second man, possibly a relative, appeared and pledged five hundred pounds that the marriage would take place. The town stated was Ashton-under-Lyne as both bride and groom resided there. This was sworn one month before the marriage, not two days as I originally said.

The 1836 document was a licence. No financial pledge was involved, and the groom, Thomas Chadwick, of Ashton-under-Lyne, appeared alone, two days before the marriage took place. The bride was "Mary Marlor of Haughton in the Parish of Manchester."

I already knew the marriage dates and churches when I contacted Lancashire Record Office regarding allegations. I just hoped that these documents would provide additional information. They carried out a search and told me the cost of the copies. It's a few years ago and I don't remember how much they were.

I hope this is helpful.

Joan


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