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Rutland / Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« on: Monday 24 November 25 18:40 GMT (UK)  »
ADDENDUM to my other message - you might also like to know that my mother-in-law (who is the descendant of Andrew Burton) was always told by her grandmother Gertrude Burton (b Manton, 1876) that she was descended from a very wealthy family in Rutland, so this would seem to back up some of the theories! 

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Rutland / Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« on: Monday 24 November 25 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
I was delighted to find this thread as I have exactly the same questions as you, but about another John Burton/Ann Barnett son, Andrew (b 1791) who I believe is the younger brother of your William, and my husband's 4x great-grandfather. 

Whilst it is very tempting to believe the information shared in trees online, it has also always seemed odd to me that "our" Andrew should have been a labourer if his grandfather was a vicar and a scion of a well-educated and wealthy landed family.  I am therefore very interested in the theory that there is a link to Augustin Burton of Braunston.

However, my feeling is that there IS still a link between the families, though it may loop back a few generations and thus not directly involve the Rev Bartin Burton.  If you look at the history of the (shall we say) "more illustrious" Burtons of Rutland, three recurring forenames are Bartin, Augustin and Andrew and it is this last one which originally made me think that there might be a link; the suggestion that there is a labourer named Augustin in Braunston only strengthens this feeling.

You might find the section on the Burtons in this magazine interesting if you have not already see it:

 https://www.rutlandhistory.org/rutlandrecord/rr08.pdf

Finally, I wonder whether you have DNA tested?  My husband has so we may be able to find a common link.




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The Lighter Side / Grandmama's Birthday - a wild goose chase
« on: Saturday 25 May 24 16:44 BST (UK)  »
A friend recently inherited a suitcase full of old photos when an aged relative died.  Amongst them was one showing four young boys, very smartly dressed in Eton collars, bow ties and straw boaters.  On the back was written the names of the boys, and the label grandmama's birthday 1905.  My friend was interested to know which of her ancestors was the "grandmama" mentioned, so I spent a couple of weeks researching the boys' names, in the area where her family was from.

Although I was able to find all four boys and their families, and traced their families backwards, forwards and sideways, I could not for the life in me find how they were related or who their common grandmama might be.  And then one night the answer came to me.  What if grandmama's birthday was actually "Grandmama's Birthday" and was the title of a play?

Newspapers.com came up trumps.  It was indeed the name of a juvenile operetta which was apparently performed quite regularly around the turn of the 19th/20th century (and this made perfect sense when my friend remembered that her mother's maiden aunts were both music teachers).  I kind of wish I had known that before I started searching.

Still it gave us both a good laugh and made a change from trying to break down my own brick walls!!

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London and Middlesex / Re: 1871 census - help with transcription
« on: Saturday 25 May 24 16:15 BST (UK)  »
Yep, rupture, birth.  Sounds painful!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / Re: Mystery of missing great-grandmother - any detectives?
« on: Monday 18 May 09 21:08 BST (UK)  »
Ooh thank you both - yes, it does seem a distinct possibility that "Halifax" could have been given as a place of birth, especially if the information was given to the enumerator by the head of the household (who would know only that her family was in Halifax).  I shall now look at the previous census to establish whether there is a Harriet Simm(s) living (and born) in Halifax! :)

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / COMPLETED: Mystery of missing great-grandmother - any detectives?
« on: Monday 18 May 09 20:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi all
I know the 1881 census is free to view and all that, but it's the one census where I cannot find my great-grandmother Harriet Simm (b 1861 Thurstonland, Huddersfield - or sometimes Stocksmoor).  The rest of the family was by then living in Halifax but she is not with them.  By the time of the 1891 census she has been married, had three children, been widowed and is once more living with her mother - but where was she in 1881?  I have tried all obvious spellings and name variants but without any luck.  I even tried her under her married name (Fairclough) though she didn't actually marry until 4th quarter 1882.  Any detectives out there fancy trying to track her down?!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Mystery need help please
« on: Saturday 16 May 09 15:09 BST (UK)  »
IGI has an Ann Littlewood (this is the spelling they also have for her at her marriage to John - assuming you have the correct marriage of course) being baptised at the same church in which your Hannah/Ann was married.  This baptism is 8th November 1819 and her parents were Thomas & Mary Littlewood.  Any use?
BTW the 1841 census was taken on 6th June so it is possible that they could have then made it to Australia in time for a baby to be born in December!

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Rutland Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookup Oakham
« on: Saturday 16 May 09 14:56 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both - Mike, these are the same parents I am working on, but like you my slight concerns arose from the fact that place of birth changes.  William and Rhoda I am sure on, as Rhoda appears through descendants as a family name.

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Rutland Lookup Requests / Marriage lookup Oakham
« on: Friday 15 May 09 21:39 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone have access to marriage records for Oakham?  I am looking for a marriage for William Turner and Rhoda Humphrey (1869 I think).  I am particularly interested in the names of both fathers.  Thanks in advance for any help.

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