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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Friday 02 October 09 22:00 BST (UK)  »
The McCausland estate is a new name to me. 

Quote from: terrydoo73 on Saturday 26 September 09 20:18 BST (UK)
My dad did remember the original sale documents from the McCausland estate to William Henry's father being in his possession at one time and it was very few pounds from his recollection. 

I thought the farm Flower Hill had belonged to the Marquis of Waterford before William Henry "bought" it in 1871.  I know there were several men who had the title Marquis of Waterford, but I don't remember this name.  It might be helpful to find out more about the McCausland estate.

Birdenia

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Friday 02 October 09 21:44 BST (UK)  »
A reprint of The History of the Henry Family of "Flower Hill" Ireland and their Descendants may be ordered from Higginson Book Company.  The web address is http://www.higginsonbooks.com/genhe043h.html.

I found two items at the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland.  I obtained a copy of William Henry's will (1891) from the microfilm.  He was the 8th child of John and Rachel McMillan Henry, who remained on the farm "Flower Hill" with his parents.  There were several bequests to the Limavady Church and the rest went to his brothers and sisters or their descendants.  I suspected he never married or had children, and his will supported that assumption as neither wife nor children were mentioned.  If anyone wants details, let me know.

I also found the 1871 sale catalog which Aghadowey mentioned.  The title is Landed Estates, Court Rental, sale particulars and maps relating to the estate of John Henry de-la-Poer (Marquis of Waterford) and of John Leslie and the Honorable Edward Kenyon and his trustees in the Baronies of Coleraine and Keenaght, County Londonderry and the town of Coleraine.  D2096/3/2.  I ordered photocopies of the relevant pages.  There were other items listed under the Marquis of Waterford, but we didn't have time to go through them.

Birdenia

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Friday 02 October 09 21:18 BST (UK)  »
Ireland is beautiful and her people are so kind and gracious!

We found the Henry family farm called Flower Hill, thanks to several helpful folks.  The current owner was not home.  I took a few photos, but because the old buildings are gone it is hard to visualize the farm as it was when the Henrys lived there.  We also found the Old Aghanloo Cemetery where the Henry stone is.  My photo of the whole stone is not readable because the light was not good or in the wrong direction.  I did take close-ups of various parts from different angles and some of those are readable.  I'm going to ask my son to help me improve them.  We walked around the cemetery, but did not find any other Henrys.  Some of the stones are impossible to read.  We did find a stone for "David Long, Lisnagrib, who died 12 June 1901, and his wife Esther, who died 19 Feb 1881.  Also their son David who died Apr 1882, Robert who died 12 Oct 1904."  I found this significant for two reasons:  Matthew Henry b circa 1745 married Jennie LONG; and David LONG leased the farm next to Flower Hill according to Griffith's Valuation.  Does anyone in the Limavady region know anything about David LONG or his ancestors?

I also found the newer (old) cemetery along the Aghanloo Road surrounding the Church of Ireland.  I didn't find any Henrys there but did find a stone for Rev. George and Mary Catherine Craig.  I wonder if they were related to John Craig who came to the US in 1836 with his wife and Matthew Henry b 1817 (first of John and Rachel McMillan Henry's 12 children).

More in next message.

Birdenia

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Wednesday 26 August 09 16:37 BST (UK)  »
The book,"The Henry Family of Flower Hill, Ireland," does not state why the farm was called "Flower Hill."  In the text and in the diagram of the farm, (opposite p 18) are listed Flower Garden and Sally's Garden.  The Sally Garden had fruit trees and flowering shrubbery.  The rest are called fields, meadows, and parks, with two other names with which I am not familiar - Goose-wing and Shelldale.  Both authors mention fuchsia trees framing the door. 

I think Kinkerswell's explanation is probably correct.  Margaret Birdenia Henry was there in the spring and mentions the banks covered with buttercups, primroses, daisies and rockets.  She also writes that they will be there a month "among the flowers" which may have meant on the farm or on the hillsides.  Mrs. James Henry pressed flowers during the 1891 trip to Flower Hill; the flowers are framed with a drawing of the house.

Quote from: Gortinanima on Wednesday 26 August 09 07:31 BST (UK)

 I have tried to find rentals and leases for his
estate in PRONI with only limited success. Perhaps there are is Waterford estate material in the National Archives
in Dublin which might contain Limavady material?

Would the rentals and leases be at the Registry of Deeds or do they only have deeds for land sold?  I will check the web site for the National Archives to see if Waterford estate material is listed.

Aghadowey, can you tell me how to find the 1871 sale catalogue?  I was excited to see this and would like to try to get a copy.

Many thanks again for all your wonderful help!

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Tuesday 25 August 09 18:09 BST (UK)  »
Were there naming patterns for the Ulster-Scots in the 1800s that might be helpful in searching for early generations or cousins in the Henry family?

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Saturday 22 August 09 13:29 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for the hints!

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Friday 21 August 09 19:53 BST (UK)  »
I am new to "rootschat"  so I am still learning how to do things.  I'm having trouble going to the messages.  I go to "Search" and tried putting in the subject and Dr. Henry, but it says "no matches."  Can someone tell me what else I need to do?

I thought I sent a reply to all of you two days ago, but apparently it didn't get posted.

Thank you for your ideas.  I found the coordinates of the farm, Flower Hill, on Griffiths' Valuations with a "1" next to John Henry.  When I looked on the map there was a "1a" and a "1b" but they weren't next to each other.  I didn't quite know what to make of that.  I appreciate knowing the road name and will look at my maps again.  In the Flower Hill book there is a drawing of the different fields on the farm, so I have a general idea of the shape of the farm.  There is also a drawing of the house.

I am a little confused about how the ownership of land works in Ireland.  Griffiths says John Henry was the occupier and the lessor was the Marquis of Waterford.  I'm assuming this means John Henry leased the land from the Marquis of Waterford who owned the land.  When son William Henry died, the estate papers said the estate was "sold" to Matthew McElmoyle.  Would there also be a record when William Henry got the land after his father John died?

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Henrys of Derry County - Pre 1800
« on: Wednesday 19 August 09 02:42 BST (UK)  »
I was so excited to find this information.  Thanks to those who have contributed.  I am new at Irish research.

I can not add any new information on John Henry, d 1854, who married Rachel Henry, daughter of Matthew and Jenny Long Henry.

I am researching John Henry, d 1861, son of Matthew Henry and Jenny Long.  This John Henry married Rachel McMillan about 1815 and had 12 children, 11 of whom moved to the US between 1836 and 1860.  One son, William Henry, remained on the farm - Flower Hill - with John and Rachel McMillan Henry.   The Henry Family of Flower Hill Ireland is primarily about the 12 children  and their descendants.  A few short chapters in the beginning give some of the Irish background of the family, but Dr. Henry has related most of that.

Some acquaintances of William Henry, d 1891, are mentioned in his estate papers, but there is no mention of any Henrys or earlier generations.  William's brother Dr. James Henry was the executor.  Our line runs from this James Henry.

Gortinanima mentioned a headstone in Aghanloo on 2 Nov 2008.  This would be the headstone of John Henry who married Rachel McMillan (according to the "Flower Hill" book).  Next month my husband and I are traveling to Ireland. We hope to visit the cemetery, church - Limavady First, and "Flower Hill" farm in Co Londonderry.

Where did John (d 1854) and his wife Rachel Henry live in the US?  According to the "Flower Hill" book, they went to Ohio.  Do you have more specifics?  According to the same book, some of the children of John and Rachel McMillan Henry stopped to visit this aunt and uncle on their way to Illinois.  Is there any info about these visits in the Henry book written by Heber Homer Henry?

Perhaps research into land deeds might shed light on earlier generations.

Any suggestions as to other things I could look up about this family at PRONI, the Londonderry Library, or in Dublin would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

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