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Shropshire / Re: Taylor and Tayleur
« on: Wednesday 28 October 09 19:19 GMT (UK)  »
Susan, you are a miracle - and it's not complicated to me, having the long line of Creswells down to our very own Creswell Pigot, grandson of Creswell Tayleur and Phillis Walker - Phew! This Cressy Pig was the brother of my 4xgreat grandpa John Pigot who went off to Jamaica to start a plantation, but it seemed to fail and he saw out his days there as a customs official. I do need to sort out the first couple of Creswells though - like you say.  When there are only registers it is difficult to see which Cressy has the honour of being the father of the one who married Martha - who is again definitely mine.  I didn't know she was Wilding either, so you've given me a grandma's name!  We can carry on by e-mail, and perhaps we can update this thread for others as we sort out your Richard, and any other Tayleur/Taylors who may come on board  :)

Thanks so much Susan...I'm getting quite excited by the thought of a few more pieces fitting together in my Tayleur jigsaw.

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Shropshire / Re: Taylor and Tayleur
« on: Wednesday 28 October 09 07:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Susan - this is indeed wonderful, and I'm sure we can help each other if we work together here.

You mention a will in 1601?  Now then, although I have recently seen published info on the pedigree of the Tayleurs, I had been going along collecting my own documents on them and I have arrived at the man I believe to be my 10th great grandfather, John Tayleur (as you say, Creswell's father) whose will I have but it is 1639, not 1601.  I am sure this is the right man because he is a gent of Longdon and Meeson and Creswell is named as his son and heir in the will.  At the time John drew up the will (1638) Creswell is young and only had two daughters, so John  Tayleur of Roddington (who seems to marry Laetitia Skrymshire) is probably either still in the womb, or a twinkle in Cressy's eye  :) 

And yes, Cressy the first (if we can call him that?) does have a son Cressy, my 8th great grandad!  From there on in they are found in the Great Bolas registers.  John his brother dips into Bolas to have his first child baptised, so you're right that there is a connection between the two places.  Cressy the first may have married Anne Steventon, and then later a widow, Jane Endley, but I have yet to confirm the Steventon, as it is on the IGI index and I haven't double-checked yet.  The second Creswell (8th great grandad) marries a Susannah Holland firstly, but she dies and he goes on to marry an Abigail, whose surname I have yet to discover.  He appears in the registers of Great Bolas, and the vicar makes a great fuss every time a child of his is baptised, calling him 'my generous patron Mr. Creswell Tayleur' etc.  The vicar even lists the time of day he died!

If you want to PM me with your e-mail address - mine is (*) - we can get together on this.  I am certainly interested in the Margaret Cresswell lady, because this would account for Cressy's odd name!  I certainly wouldn't mind helping you to sort out your Richard  :)  And there also seems to be 'an extra' Creswell whom I can't account for, who is in the Shrewsbury area concurrent with my lot, so we could get our heads together here.

I look forward to hearing from you, Susan  :) 

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Shropshire / Re: Taylor and Tayleur
« on: Tuesday 27 October 09 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello - I am directly descended from the Tayleurs of Longdon-upon-Tern and Roddington through Creswell Tayleur (9th great grandpa), father of the first John of Roddington.   Cressy's son (another Creswell) moved into Great Bolas in the mid-1600s.  However, as far as I can gather, there is no connection between Tayleurs and Taylors as descendants of the same family. (I've also been informed that Tayleur is even pronounced differently in Shropshire - more like 'ta-lew-er' - but how true this is, I don't know  :))

The Tayleurs traced down so far have all kept the odd spelling, but it may well be that others have slipped the net and adopted the more normal spelling.  The Tayleurs married into my Pigots (also from Salop) and one of our last bearers of the Tayleur name was the Rev John Tayleur Pigot of Fremington in Devon who died aged 91 in 1912.  Tayleur kept cropping up as a middle name in a few branches of my family - but as I say, it was always spelled 'funny'  :)

If I can help in any way, please let me know.

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Cheshire / Re: Calling all Wythenshawe folk
« on: Monday 18 May 09 21:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the link, Tracy - some useful photos there.  It does show that the land must have been very flat, at least.  A work colleague who is from Wythenshawe has told me that the new Brownley Green IS on the site of the old one, but like you, she said that there is very little to see now that would give me a hint of what life was like there hundreds of years ago.  Due to leaving a fantastic succession of wills, together with the Northenden PRs, I have been able to trace my Brownley Green lot back to the 1580s.  I suppose I will never be able to glean what it was like other than fields, fields, farms and fields  :)

Thanks for your help, Tracy.

ETA:  By the way - do we share Makins?  Mine started out in Manchester in the 18th century, drifted over to Cheadle, then planted themselves in the Glossop area for several generations, before branching off again in all directions.  Please send a PM if you think we could help each other on that one.

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Cheshire / Calling all Wythenshawe folk
« on: Wednesday 13 May 09 21:26 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I know Wythenshawe is officially 'in Manchester' these days, but I was wondering if the present area known as 'Brownley Green' in Wythenshawe stands on the site of the original Brownley/Brownlow Green, once part of Etchells?  My earliest traced and proven ancestors came from Brownlow Green in Etchells and were smiths and yeomen farmers there from the late 16th to mid 18th century!  I have always wanted to nip along to see what is left of the place, but no doubt it has all been swallowed up by the modern housing estates?

Does anyone know if it would be worth a visit - at least to get the lie of the land - and indeed if it IS the old Brownlow/Brownley Green that I suspect it is?  I've done all the literary research on the place, but would love to see old photos too, if anyone could point me in the right direction.

Many thanks everyone.

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Cheshire / Re: Cheshire Parish Records Marriages only pre 1837
« on: Friday 24 April 09 19:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: JDGen on Friday 24 April 09 17:06 BST (UK)

Hi ValsGranddaughter and apologies that I had missed your post.

I've had a really good look around but can't find a match for this marriage.  Transcriptions of the Davenham registers are available online here: http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
so at least you can eliminate them.

Sorry I couldn't be more help,

Jean

Thank you for searching, Jean - at least I can eliminate Davenham now.  And thank you so much for the link - that may turn out to be invaluable for my other Hollands.

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Cheshire / Re: WHERE IS BRINKSWAY is it CHEADLE? STOCKPORT?
« on: Wednesday 22 April 09 23:51 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: deryckjohn on Wednesday 22 April 09 23:08 BST (UK)
I have usually been in the evening and it has been quiet, I did look in on a Saturday morning and it like all the film readers were in use.

Regards,
Deryck

Deryck is right - a Saturday morning wouldn't be the best time.  A week day is best.  The library has late closing Monday to Thursday (8pm) and closes at 5pm on Friday and Saturday. 

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Cheshire / Re: WHERE IS BRINKSWAY is it CHEADLE? STOCKPORT?
« on: Wednesday 22 April 09 19:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ninian,

Both Heaton Norris, St. Tom and Didsbury, St. Jim records are on microfilm at Manchester Central Library (First Floor).  There are plenty of microfilm readers and you don't have to book a place.  You may be better opting to visit the library in Manchester rather than the Cheshire Record Office in Chester (who also have the microfilmed registers of each parish), but they require a booking and you may only be allowed to book in for a limited time, whereas at Manchester Library you can stay all day if you wish until you find your folks!  :)

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Cheshire / Re: Cheadle Buckeley
« on: Wednesday 22 April 09 19:05 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Pat13 on Wednesday 22 April 09 10:02 BST (UK)
Brinksway would never have been in Lancashire as it is on the wrong side of the river. Heaton Norris, yes, but not Brinksway.

Hi Pat - yes, you and I know that Brinksway was never in Lancashire - alas, the census enumerators didn't seem to share our view, and I have the returns from 1861 and 1871 to prove it.  I also did differentiate between Brinksway and the later Brinksway Road.  The address in each case was 'Brinksway Road, Heaton Norris, Lancashire'.  I can supply the references if you wish.

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