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Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Friday 09 March 12 20:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Mary,

Many thanks for another tantalizing Birmingham reference there.

So Elizabeth Raynes (my great great aunt ) died in Birmingham, one imagines while staying with her Raynes / Ryall relatives, but is nonetheless buried in Cork.

And if she was 67 in 1891 that's a good match for a birth year of around 1823.

I feel a little more Irish with every post on this thread  :)

Paul

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Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Monday 13 September 10 23:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Julie,

Yes - I think the harbourmaster tradition must go all the way back to John George Ryall, who therefore seems to have been quite proud of his brother (I guess we should still say, "presumed brother" but it all seems to be coming together slowly but surely...)

It would be great if someone could unearth a cache of family letters to shed some light on all of this, but I'm not aware of anything like that surviving on our side of the tracks. My mum seems to feel that her parent's generation may have been a little careless in disposing of whatever papers might've come down from the Ryall sisters.

My mum's maiden name incidentally was Stark. She is Henrietta Ryall's granddaughter and knew her as "Grandma Stark" (Henrietta married George James Stark). We have an Edwardian photo of Henrietta and George with my grandfather Henry George Stark as a little boy, and some nice ones of Henrietta as an elderly lady (I'm guessing they were been taken in the '40s). Other than that, not very much.

I'd absolutely love to have copies of any articles you have relating to the harbourmaster, and it's very kind of you to offer (perhaps you could send me a PM?)

Thanks & best wishes,
Paul

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Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Sunday 12 September 10 21:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

I'm also trying to find out what I can about John George Ryall (or Raynes).

I'm descended from the Birmingham Ryalls through my mother (who's now 83). Her grandmother was Henrietta, the youngest of John and Elizabeth Ryall's three daughters. This makes me John George Ryall's  great, great grandson.

It's quite amazing, but the family tradition of an ancestor who was the harbour master at Cork has survived for over a century in our branch of the family too, although the detail had all been lost or garbled. The Raynes surname was completely forgotten and nothing of  John Ryall was remembered, with the harbour master assumed to be our direct ancestor (instead of, as seems highly likely, his brother). My mother even mistakenly believed until I started researching last year that her grandmother Henrietta had herself been born in Ireland.

Following  the link to http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch that aghadowey posted (for which many thanks) I found a death record for  Henry Christopher Raynes in Cork in 1877, aged  only 48. His estimated birth year is given as 1829, which is close enough to the 1828 date in the parish records that jnby posted (another very big “thank you” !)

As you may already know, Theresa, Elizabeth and Henrietta Ryall had a younger brother, also called Henry Christopher. He was born c 1877, so it seems quite reasonable to assume he was named in honour of his recently deceased uncle.

There’s more which I think has a bearing on this. The young Henry emigrated to Canada but eventually returned to Europe during the Great War as a private in the Canadian army (he was in in his late thirties by then and it’s thought he didn’t marry). Henry fought on the Western Front and died of wounds on 14th June 1916.  He’s buried in Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery at Poperinge in Belgium. A transcript of his gravestone can be found if you do a search at http://www.mapleleaflegacy.ca. If you click on the “details” tab, it says that he was the only son of the late John and Elizabeth Ryall of Birmingham.

The really interesting bit though is that it also notes that he “…served as Raynes.” So for reasons completely unknown he chose for that part of his life to use what we assume to be the family’s former surname (perhaps another small mystery there in itself ).

Some quite promising clues here I hope to strengthen the link between John Ryall and the name Raynes in Cork, and even specifically with Captain Henry Raynes.

Paul


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