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The Lighter Side / Re: Mary Ann Cotton 1839-1873 Durham
« on: Saturday 03 October 09 21:09 BST (UK)  »
Dear Michelle,
Many thanks for your return e-mail and for the information. I see that you mention your husband's relationship to James Robinson through his father William Robinson. Would I be correct in thinking that his father William, is the relation to James Robinson and his first wife Hannah Greenwell way back in the 1850's. Or is William descended from James Robinson and his marriage to MAC and their only son George Robinson b.1869 in Sunderland. I would be delighted if you could shed some light on this, as I will in all probability be able to help you and establish the family tree of Robinson and Mary Ann Cotton. Hope this answer is of help, and yes indeed the website of Mary Ann Cotton mentioned is very interesting and quite frank and honest.

Kind Regards

Bertram Gregson.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mary Ann Cotton 1839-1873 Durham
« on: Thursday 16 July 09 19:37 BST (UK)  »
Dear Shelly64

Hello I have seen your comments on the website and I have found them to be very interesting, firstly have you viewed the website www.maryanncotton.co.uk  you may find some of the information interesting to your background research into her life. As for your husbands relationship to MAC, then is it through her child born to James Robinson and his first wife
Hannah(nee Greenwell) Robinson b.c.1839-1866. This child William Greenwell Robinson was born in 1857. However a child born from the marriage of MAC and James was George Robinson 1869, if so then it is probable that your husband may be aware of the connection to MAC. If he can remember some of the old relations and their names, then this would be a starting point, for further investigation, as MAC's marriages and full family trees are noted and have been fully investigated and authenticated. If you can provide more detailed information (fully and concise) then I may be able to help you. 

Kind Regards 

Bertram Gregson          

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mary Ann Cotton 1839-1873 Durham
« on: Sunday 14 June 09 10:43 BST (UK)  »
Dear withnail,
Many thanks for your comments and kind words, yes I fully agree with your comment of the death mask, I too would be very eager to see this mask. I too have heard that she was a beautiful woman, and was very recognizable, also her hair was said to be as black as raven's wings with a shimmering shine. I know that the author of the proposed manuscript, has many accountable details of her life, such as those gained from her descendants, it appears as though the author has traced her life from birth to death, and has dispelled many accounts which are too familiar on the internet or written statements which are far from the truth. The author I believe has based this biography on a re-write with the aim to establish the facts as they are recorded, with scientific evidence, and accounts taken from her own statements, witnesses, and home office documents, and newspaper reports of the day. I think the aim is not to specify categorically that she is 100% innocent, but to lay before the reader the actual evidence, and of the forensics, and of the details which had remained unknown, such as the disappearing evidences lost or not produced to Professor Scattergood in Leeds, when as the policeman who delivered it said it had and was signed for, it is evident that items were missing, as several were signed for and not exammined or logged as never being received. I like many research family history, it is said that MAC killed up to 15 members of her family in a short period. However a case in question (from the 1911 Census) concerning my research was, that an ancestor gave birth to 13 children, 9 of those children died in a short period of time. This is in itself not uncommon in the Victorian era, thousands of families throughout the UK suffered the same fate. My ancestors would turn in their graves if they were later suspected of murdering 9 of their children in a short time. So I think the author is trying to refresh the debate with new forensics and factual comments as recognised in our era.

Good to hear from you and thanks for your kind comments.

Bertram.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mary Ann Cotton 1839-1873 Durham
« on: Sunday 14 June 09 00:12 BST (UK)  »
Dear Withnail,
                      I have read your last comments on the MAC website and your kind sentiments concerning the execution details. I have a connection to the author and proposed biography of MAC, and I can clarify your concerns. The information which is written within the manuscript, could not come from a better source, such as MAC's living relations, it is they who have the information which is otherwise unknown to Appleton or Tony Whitehead. It is therefore without doubt that the information is genuine and without reproach or such that the information should be questioned. There can be no question as to their recollections and comments, who apart from them can supply such comments, who on Roots chat can question their information, if they are not related. However I can state with accuracy that Calcraft took the rope with him to Hoxton London, he regarded the possession of the rope(s) after executions as being his property, it was as he stated many times "his perk" because he could sell the item of a notable criminal ie, the rope to a collector of exhibits. The rope which hung MAC was not within the coffin or attached to MAC's neck, whilst the Coroners Inquest was being conducted later that afternoon. This information is not questionable as it is recorded within Home Office documents. The Coroner stated quite clearly that Calcraft had the rope, and further to that we know that Calcraft did indeed sell the items to either Madame Tussauds or arranged collectors, he was noted for this action, as the Home Secretary and Department had known about this for many years. The shoes and shawl were also without doubt placed within the coffin, as later that afternoon at the inquest MAC's relation(s) identified her corpse, they took nothing away from her coffin. Durham Prison at that time in 1873 had a procedure in place which quite clearly was adopted by Calcraft. No prisoner would be executed with clothing which would in any way hinder the execution, ie the neck shawl. It is for reference that earlier the week before her execution, MAC's child was adopted by a childless couple from West Auckland, the shawl was ripped in half and the child was wrapped within it and taken from her arms and prison. Before her execution she left her condemned cell wearing the same dress which she had been arrested in, 1872. Her shawl was over her shoulders as she was escorted to the Gallows, she wore a hair net which kept her hair free from her face. Before the execution all items which would hinder the execution were removed. Indeed Durham Prison confirmed this fact in 2008. Also a point to mention is that the execution white hood was also taken by Calcraft, there is no mention whatsoever of this item, as the rope being present in the coffin. The death mask is another point, I have myself written to numerous academic institutes throughout the UK, they have no knowledge of the whereabouts of the mask, I also contacted the Black Museum, they as with the numerous institutes have no knowledge of the mask, so I assume personally that the mask is probably in a collectors hands. Probably the collector does not even know who the mask is from, but then again that is my own opinion. As for the information above, it is fully accurate and not in question, either the recollections of MAC's living relations are false or so called biographers are truthful, I know from my own experience, that family tales and recollections are far superior to the optimistic biographer. I hope withnail that this information will set your mind and thoughts on the path of truthfulness as being recorded by MAC's descendants, it is they who recollect the facts within the manuscript.

Bertram Gregson.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Mary Ann Cotton 1839-1873 Durham
« on: Wednesday 03 June 09 20:36 BST (UK)  »
Dear Rewcastle,
                         I note with interest the messages concerning Mary Ann Cotton. Have a look at this excellent website address, it gives an insight into parts of her trial at Durham Crown Court in 1873, and also the last few minutes of her life before her execution. The extracts are from a biography written by an author who has paramount and unknown information concerning MAC. The manuscript is by all accounts over 427 pages and as yet unpublished, and relates information not known by Appleton or Whitehead in their books. By all accounts the author has to date collected, documents, photographs and other official documents to support this biography, all apparently new to this debate.

www.maryanncotton.co.uk     

Regards

Bertram Gregson.

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