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Monmouthshire / HOPKINS family, of Tintern or thereabouts
« on: Saturday 20 October 12 14:11 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone.

I have recently received a wedding certificate for James Yorath (25) and Caroline Hopkins (22), whose wedding took place on 2 June 1853 at Cardiff Wesley Chapel. Both parties belonged to families originally from Monmouthshire - the Yoraths were from Llanfair Cilgeddin and the Hopkins from Tintern or the surrounding area. As I already have a fair bit of info on the Yoraths, I'm trying to get a bit more on Caroline's family.

The marriage certificate identifies her father as a woodcutter named John Hopkins, and I have a census record possibly showing her family already resident in Canton, Cardiff, in 1841 (although apparently without Dad). I also have a possible baptism record for Caroline at Llandogo dated 4 July 1830, although the father's occupation is listed as 'hoop maker', (which I take to mean that he made the frameworks that went inside ladies' dresses of the time).

Can anyone help me in establishing whether the baptism record is for the right Caroline and, if so, where the parents were married?

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Staffordshire / Re: Glover family of Bilston
« on: Tuesday 25 October 11 17:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Geoff.

I agree that these are reasonable leads. What I really need, though, is the original record of the 1823 marriage, to see if they were both from the same parish.

Just a thought, but does the index mention the father's occupation for any of the Speights you mentioned?

Also, re. the FamilySearch records, are 'Kinver' and 'Kinfare' the same place spelled differently, or two separate places?

All the best,
Ben

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Staffordshire / Glover family of Bilston
« on: Monday 24 October 11 19:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks.

I'm wondering if anyone's got a trip to either Wolverhampton of Stafford History Centre on the cards, and might me able to check up the following for me?

I am trying to trace Benjamin Glover and Mary Spate, who came from the Bilston area, but later moved to the South Wales valleys. FreeBMD has the following marriage record:

Benjamin Glover, bachelor married Mary Spait, spinster on 19 May 1823, at Wolverhampton St Peter. Witnesses Joseph Duffell and Samuel Hansher.

The record also seems to indicate that there may be banns in existence for this marriage.

The certificate for Mary's second marriage in 1839 identifies her father as Joseph Spate, a collier, and cesus returns give her place of birth as Bilston, where her children were also born.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could look up the full marriage record for me, and also the baptisms of the bride and groom.

Unfortunately, I have no indication as to Benjamin's age, as he appears on no census records whatsoever. I do know, though, that Mary was born abut 1805.

Many thanks, folks.
Ben

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Somerset / Re: THOMAS family - Spaxton
« on: Friday 17 December 10 20:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for these responses, ladies.

Just one point to make. Trish - you're right about the usual likelihood of there being more than 2 children.

But, given that Isaac and Maria were bith around 40 when they married, the presence of only two seems more probable. After all, by my reckoning, Maria would have been 46 when John was born. I've checked for burials of infants, and couldn't find any.

All the best.

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Somerset / Re: THOMAS family - Spaxton
« on: Friday 17 December 10 10:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Shirl. Thanks for this tip.

The link has already proved extremely useful, as I have been able to find relevant records both in Spaxton and in neighbouring parishes via the site.

I don't suppose you know whether or not the parish records for Bridgwater are available online, do you?

Thanks again, and all the best
Ben

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Somerset / THOMAS family - Spaxton
« on: Monday 13 December 10 21:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone.

Yet another plea for help on a common surname. I'm looking for any connections to the following family:

1841 census - Spaxton

Isaac Thomas   50   Ag lab    born Somerset
Maria    " "        60                      "    "
Mary     " "        30                      "    "
John     " "        15                       "    "


I also have them on the 1851 census, still in Spaxton [HO 107/1924], with Isaac aged 70 and Maria 76. Mary is no longer with them, but John (now a 25-year-old, married timber sawyer) is recorded as their son, with his 35-year-old wife Mary and two sons, three-year-old Abraham and 1-year-old Joseph, also in the household, along with a 54-year-old lodger, Thomas Porter. All members of the hosehold were born in Spaxton apart from Mary. who was born in Over Stowey.

I'm mainly trying to find other children of Isaac and Maria, and possibly their descendants. Unsurprisingly, they both disappear off the census records after 1851. I've already located their marriage (Spaxton, 1818) and likely births (Aisholt, 1781 for Isaac and Spaxton, 1777 for Maria) via FreeReg.  Does anybody have access to records for these parishes, or suggestions for how I might proceed?

Many thanks, guys.
Ben

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Somerset / BOOBYER family
« on: Saturday 11 September 10 16:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks.

Just looking for a bit of clarification. I have two brothers (my grandfather's uncles) on my tree, who married a pair of sisters. I have names for several possible children, but cannot establish which children belong to each brother.

Henry BOOBYER married Annie Jane MICO in 1904
Walter Charles BOOBYER married Laura Mary Ann MICO in 1908. Laura died in 1918.

Possible children, as per FreeBMD, are Leslie G Boobyer (b. 1911), Laura I M Boobyer (1915-29), Clara M Boobyer (b. 1915) and Edward W Boobyer (b. 1913).

I'm wondering if there are any descendents out there who can confirm whose children were whose?

Thanks, folks.

UPDATE - December 2010

I've received confirmation, via a very helpful registrar in Taunton, that Edward W Boobyer and Laura I M Boobyer were siblings, and Clara M Boobyer was their cousin. However, the registrar would not confirm whose children were whose. Is anyone able to answer this one?

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Monmouthshire / Re: Trying to find Benjamin Glover
« on: Friday 27 August 10 21:51 BST (UK)  »
I've now received the two marriage certificates referred to above, and feel there is a possibility that the two grooms might be the same person because, in spite of their occupations being different, their fathers' names match. Only the 1839 marriage lists father's occupation for either partner, though.

Where the two brides are concerned, the only thing I can tell for definite is that they weren't sisters. Mary Glover (1839 wedding) was a widow, the daughter of a collier named Joseph Spate. However, Eliza Glover (1844 wedding) was a spinster and, as I already knew, the daughter of Benjamin Glover, although she doesn't state his occupation on the wedding certificate.

The 1839 wedding took place in the parish church in Llanwenarth, ehreas the 1844 wedding took place at St George's chapel in Tredegar.

I'm now even more confused than before. Any ideas as to where I go from here?


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Monmouthshire / Re: Trying to find Benjamin Glover
« on: Thursday 05 August 10 15:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, guys. I already had this info.

The thing I'm trying to get my haed around is that John Munday also married Eliza Glover in 1844 (it's definitely the same two people as are on the 1841 census, as Mary and Ann are still listed  as living with them on the 1851 census.

Surely it's a bit far-fetched to suggest that he married the mother and then, 5 years later, the daughter? How many taboos would that break today, let alone in Victorian times?

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